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Will Matt Barkley Be the Best QB From the 2013 Draft?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:22 pm
The pick was controversial due to the misconception that Chip Kelly wants to run his QB 30 times a game, and I admit even I was taken aback when his name was called... but after thinking about it, listening to Chip and reading more, it's a perfect fit.
Chip wants a smart QB, who makes quick decisions, is accurate and can get rid of the ball in a hurry. For this reason, Michael Vick is less of a fit in Kelly offense than Barkley or Foles, despite his mobility.
The more I've thought on this pick, the more I love it (perhaps the homer in me).
But here's what I'm thinking:
Formerly valued as a top 10 pick (would have been if he had come out last year).
The real knock is arm strength, and that's one of the more overrated QB attributes.
There's also the famed "Parcells method." His rules are the following:
Check for Barkley.
Check again.
Three checks.
9 (2009), 8 (2010), 10 (2011), 7 (2012) = 34 wins
All 4 checks.
That's pre-injury 2012, but contextually, he also did this for a highly ranked program on sanctions.
There's also the " 26-27-60 Rule."
That's 26 on the Wonderlic, start 27 games and complete 60% of his passes.
Wonderlic: 30
Starts: 47
Completion %: 64%
Barkley not only meets those requirements, he smashes them all.
So, sans the pre-discussed "lack of arm strength," seems like he has a lot of success indicators on his resume.
How do you think he'll compare?
Chip wants a smart QB, who makes quick decisions, is accurate and can get rid of the ball in a hurry. For this reason, Michael Vick is less of a fit in Kelly offense than Barkley or Foles, despite his mobility.
The more I've thought on this pick, the more I love it (perhaps the homer in me).
But here's what I'm thinking:
Formerly valued as a top 10 pick (would have been if he had come out last year).
The real knock is arm strength, and that's one of the more overrated QB attributes.
There's also the famed "Parcells method." His rules are the following:
quote:
1) The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
Check for Barkley.
quote:
He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
Check again.
quote:
He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
Three checks.
quote:
He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.
9 (2009), 8 (2010), 10 (2011), 7 (2012) = 34 wins
All 4 checks.
That's pre-injury 2012, but contextually, he also did this for a highly ranked program on sanctions.
There's also the " 26-27-60 Rule."
That's 26 on the Wonderlic, start 27 games and complete 60% of his passes.
Wonderlic: 30
Starts: 47
Completion %: 64%
Barkley not only meets those requirements, he smashes them all.
So, sans the pre-discussed "lack of arm strength," seems like he has a lot of success indicators on his resume.
How do you think he'll compare?
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 1:23 pm
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:22 pm to OBUDan
No. EJ.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:23 pm to OBUDan
No. Geno
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:24 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:24 pm to harry coleman beast
No. Tyler Bray.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:24 pm to OBUDan
maybe...but that may not mean anything at all in the long run
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:27 pm to OBUDan
Yes.
And people will learn what some of us have been saying for a while: Kelly's "system" is the tempo, not the option stuff.
And people will learn what some of us have been saying for a while: Kelly's "system" is the tempo, not the option stuff.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:28 pm to OBUDan
I like Tyler Wilson to be the best in the draft if givent he chance to play.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:29 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
EJ.
I like EJ a lot too. So let's put him through the previous two tests:
quote:
The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
Check.
quote:
He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
Check + working on Master's degree.
quote:
LINK
No check, 2 years + spot starts.
quote:
He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.
Check. I have him at 28.
quote:
26-27-60
Wonderlic: 28
Starts: 33 or 34
Completion %: 66.8% (on about half as many attempts as Barkley)
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:30 pm to St Augustine
quote:
maybe...but that may not mean anything at all in the long run
That's a fair point.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:31 pm to Sophandros
quote:
And people will learn what some of us have been saying for a while: Kelly's "system" is the tempo, not the option stuff.
He got asked the same variation of that question about 5 times, and every time answered that the option and running QB aren't essentials to his offense. "It's a bonus."
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:34 pm to OBUDan
I also think parcells QB formula is very outdated
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:39 pm to OBUDan
But not gonna happen.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:40 pm to wildtigercat93
I think it's an oversimplification but has a lot of valid elements.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:41 pm to OBUDan
My biggest concern with Barkley is that he rarely makes plays outside of the pocket or extends plays.
He can be good if you put him behind a great o-line though because he is smart and decently accurate. But his ceiling seems pretty low to me.
He can be good if you put him behind a great o-line though because he is smart and decently accurate. But his ceiling seems pretty low to me.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:44 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
EJ
not gona happen esp if he gets thrown to the wolves this year. He needs time to learn and develop but a first round qb doesn't get that. Could turn into another Gabbert type situation.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:44 pm to Sophandros
quote:
I think it's an oversimplification but has a lot of valid elements.
Well for the first part for example "the QB must be a senior"
Guys are in these complicated passing offenses starting in high school so guys are much more quickly developed than they were bacl in the day. A guy in his junior year in today football world would blow the doors off most college seniors from Parcells prime
And are you really going to pass up on an Andrew Luck type because he wasn't a senior?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:46 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
I also think parcells QB formula is very outdated
It's not my favorite.
Wins are generally team accomplishments and hard to consider without a lot of context (playing for a top team, etc.).
Completion %'s can be misleading too, such as Geno Smith.
I think starts is a good measurement, but again, contextual. Is it a player's fault if he's behind Andrew Luck or RGIII?
There's no golden rule for predicting QB success and just like any other player/position, a lot will depend on how well he's coached, how hard he works, etc.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 1:48 pm to OBUDan
Landry Jones.
Passes the test with flying colors.
Passes the test with flying colors.
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