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dominustd
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Those measurements have changed. See science is NOT exact.


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You do know the definitions of high BP and cholesterol have changed? I hope.


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ETA: Read that wrong


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No, because you're not making any sense.

The scientific advances regarding blood pressure measuring revolves around the fact that you can go to your doctor, get this little thing tied around your arm, and BOOM. 10 seconds later your BP is known. It wasn't always like that.

The fact that the number cutoffs regarding what is classified as hypertensive, pre-hypertensive, etc is irrelevant to our discussion.

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It's still a "pollutant"


Have you tried living without it?






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dominustd
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No, because you're not making any sense.


OK, you...

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You are confusing "science not having all the answers currently" with "science being wrong." You keep bringing up medicine, but theres so much about the human body and diseases we are still working to elucidate. So yes, a second opinion will never hurt when things aren't clear cut. Thats true in many arenas of life.


True, then you follow with...

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You know what you don't need a second opinion on? Whether you have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, cystic fibrosis, anemia, etc because science has given us easy and reliable tests for these, and many other, conditions. So please, keep acting like all science is is a bunch of guesses.


I tell you bullshite, because of what you stated first.

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The scientific advances regarding blood pressure measuring revolves around the fact that you can go to your doctor, get this little thing tied around your arm, and BOOM. 10 seconds later your BP is known. It wasn't always like that.

The fact that the number cutoffs regarding what is classified as hypertensive, pre-hypertensive, etc is irrelevant to our discussion.

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White coat syndrome(you admitted this), stress, anxiety, other illnesses prove you wrong.

So, don't come on here acting like one High BP reading means HBP, just like a somebody regarding one temp reading as proof of global warming.

Science is not exact. That's what some are trying to tell you.

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onmymedicalgrind
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dominustd


You are really not understanding my point. I'm not trying to be insulting, but you are just not following what I am saying and you're clearly arguing a different point than I am arguing.

First off, you are talking about a diagnosis of hypertension. That, obviously, isn't an exact science because, as you noted, diagnostic criteria is subject to change.

I am talking about the actual measurement of ones blood pressure. You know, wrap thing around someones arm, inflate it, blah blah blah. That wasn't around 100 years ago, and it is an example of a scientific advancement in the field of medicine. If done properly, it tells you, within a slim MOE, what your BP is at the time. Very objective data. And it is highly reproducible. Likewise for blood assays for lipids, glucose, etc. They all utilize scientific principles to give you information which wasn't really attainable (at least not as readily and easily) not too long ago.

MrCarton said it best with this:

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I think the point is that science has allowed us to quantify blood pressure, the "practice" of medicine uses that information to predict and treat disease. As our understanding (scientific knowledge) increases the treatments and perception of the data change with it (medical practice). It isn't always a linear progression, which leads some people to describe medicine as an art.


I hope that clears up what I was saying when I brought up BP, high cholesterol, etc






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onmymedicalgrind
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White coat syndrome(you admitted this), stress, anxiety, other illnesses prove you wrong


Do you still not register an authentic high blood pressure with these things? Of course you do!

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So, don't come on here acting like one High BP reading means HBP,


Who said that? In fact, in order to be diagnosed with hypertension, one has to have several elevated blood pressure measurements over a certain time period. Again, you're confusing a hypertension diagnosis with a high BP measurement.

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Science is not exact. That's what some are trying to tell you.


But thats not what you are arguing. You are arguing diagnostic criteria and medicine are not exact. And to that I agree. But the science is a different story.






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dominustd
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I hope that clears up what I was saying when I brought up BP, high cholesterol, etc
Cool.






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Apparently you missed the NASA study the other day that said all the pollution will ultimately cool the earth.



Global warming which has been the subject of so many discussions in recent years, may give way to global cooling. According to scientists from the Pulkovo Observatory in St.Petersburg, solar activity is waning, so the average yearly temperature will begin to decline as well. Scientists from Britain and the US chime in saying that forecasts for global cooling are far from groundless. Some experts warn that a change in the climate may affect the ambitious projects for the exploration of the Arctic that have been launched by many countries.

Just recently, experts said that the Arctic ice cover was becoming thinner while journalists warned that the oncoming global warming would make it possible to grow oranges in the north of Siberia. Now, they say a cold spell will set in. Apparently, this will not occur overnight, Yuri Nagovitsyn of the Pulkovo Observatory, says.

“Journalists say the entire process is very simple: once solar activity declines, the temperature drops. But besides solar activity, the climate is influenced by other factors, including the lithosphere, the atmosphere, the ocean, the glaciers. The share of solar activity in climate change is only 20%. This means that sun’s activity could trigger certain changes whereas the actual climate changing process takes place on the Earth”.

Solar activity follows different cycles, including an 11-year cycle, a 90-year cycle and a 200-year cycle. Yuri Nagovitsyn comments.

“Evidently, solar activity is on the decrease. The 11-year cycle doesn’t bring about considerable climate change – only 1-2%. The impact of the 200-year cycle is greater – up to 50%. In this respect, we could be in for a cooling period that lasts 200-250 years. The period of low solar activity could start in 2030-2040 but it won’t be as pervasive as in the late 17th century”.


Russian Scientists: ‘We Could Face Cooling Period For 200-250 Years’






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Skepticism isn't about not having faith in science. It's the very essence of evaluating science...we're SUPPOSED to be skeptical. That's how the scientific method advances. And, frankly, I'm getting tired of people who know nothing about science telling me that I know nothing about science.






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Skepticism isn't about not having faith in science. It's the very essence of evaluating science...we're SUPPOSED to be skeptical. That's how the scientific method advances. And, frankly, I'm getting tired of people who know nothing about science telling me that I know nothing about science.
This. Obviously.

The blood pressure analogy is turrible. You're trying to compare an objective observation to interpretation. The better example would be "what BP is too high for the patient?" And for that you're going to to get many different answers.

Climate "science" is buyout almost entirely on interpretation. The historical data is exceptionally sparse. The instrumental history is badly flawed with moving temperature stations, heat island effects, and lack of measurement consistency. Its highly interpreted. And the future predictions all rely on interpretations of models that have been constructed by "scientists" that describe their work as "a cause", rather than science. Those doing the interpretation are anything BUT dispassionate.

It should make anyone skeptical when those scientists refuse to release he data required to make any sensible interpretation of their work. But you simply cannot get your hands on the raw temperature data that CRU owns. Modelers refuse to release their residual error data and ident starting conditions. And asking for hard-code methodology will only be met with a level of secrecy formerly reserved for the CIA.



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CajunAngele
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It is still cold here.





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