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Split2874
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In Jordan's era the game was way more brutal. You could get away with more hard fouls. Plus you were aloud to hand check. A lot of today's players would have trouble playing with those rules.

Dwight Howard would not even get on the floor because he would be crying.

Kobe and Labron would do fine in any era. I cant imagine Labron being able to commit a "Lambeer(sp)" hard foul on somebody driving to the basket. That would be devistating.

Players today are a product of the rules and how the game has changed just like football.






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Kobe and Labron would do fine in any era. I cant imagine Labron being able to commit a "Lambeer(sp)" hard foul on somebody driving to the basket. That would be devistating.

I read this like the way Stephen A Smith says his name.






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jturn17
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NBA during Jordan's time vs the average age now.
Probably roughly the same since NBA careers are extending out longer.

The quote is obviously a shot at his team.


That said the question is kind of strange anyway since Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter, and never really had games where he was unconscious from 3 like LeBron was last night (except those 1-2 years when the NBA moved the 3 point line in closer.)






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In Jordan's era the game was way more brutal.

which era?

half of his career was played in the "all fast break, little physicality/defense" 80s, the other half was played in teh post-bad boys era of tough defense/grabbing

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A lot of today's players would have trouble playing with those rules.

i wouldn't say they'd "have trouble" as much as driving would decrease and there would be more post play (and magically all the big men of this era would become better and comparable to the past)

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Players today are a product of the rules and how the game has changed just like football.

just like the 80s and 90s players

wilt called the 80s pussy ball and talked about how much more manly his era was. this is a common perception bias

but nonetheless, playing style is always a function of current trends and rules. 80s ball ended with a strategical shift in the NBA away from no defense/fast break ball to all out defense and clock wasting ball (started by the bad boys and proliferated by the knicks/heat)

the defense got so good that the fans began to hate teh shite out of the game, so the NBA changed the rules to open things up (and voila, more people began to watch). styles have changed, but NBA strategy has become so advanced in the past 5 years that it's basically calculus compared to the arithmetic of the 80s






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jturn17
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In Jordan's era the game was way more brutal.
Of course they instituted the flagrant foul before the 91 season to deter teams from doing this. Seems I remember a shift in league domination shortly afterward...

I just think it's too simplistic to say "Jordan era." The fouls in the 90s were not any different than today. The biggest difference is players today are socialized not to fight after the fouls happened. Hand checking is obviously different. Perimeter physicality is completely changed (for the better in my opinion). But what happens near the basket is basically the same.






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players today are socialized not to fight after the fouls happened.

well they're punished really harshly for fighting today. if you get off the bench it's a suspension

i wish we still had good ole NBA fights

we can thank jeff van gundy and alonzo moruning's leg for eliminating it






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jturn17
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well they're punished really harshly for fighting today. if you get off the bench it's a suspension

Bench players are punished more harshly, but players on the court still got suspended then. But there are fewer on court fights today than in the 90s (at least I think there are). So I'd make an argument they've been socialized to not fight. Mostly stemming from the situation you talked about with the Knicks/Heat. Of course, I think this is all for the better. I'd rather the players not cost their team games in the future for a few minutes of anger relief.






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Cap Crunch
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Perhaps Monte is referring to Mr. Gordon who cannot seem to find his Balls.


He is


So I don't know why people are still debating this. Late night Lebron played against young boys, becuase that's all the Hornets are






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Split2874
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The reason it is called the "Jordan" era is because he was the most dominate player in that time frame. Just Like Bird and magic. Wilt etc.





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I think people fail to realize that during the Jordan era just about everyone was coming into the NBA after playing college for 4 years. If it held true people like AD wouldn't enter the league till 2015. He will have developed more and be a lot bigger, just like a lot of the guys in the same situation.





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front2back
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The 2nd tier big men of the 90's would easily be the best right now


Kevin Willis would dominate






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BayouFann
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lbj dominating vs the 90's knicks, palace of auburn hills, mj, davis boys of indy, hornets, heat....
charles barkley, evil-eyed anthony mason, charles oakley, rodman, and most of that era wasnt lettin' nobody walk to the rim like lbj does today. hell even john starks wasn't having any shit!!






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shel311
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charles barkley, evil-eyed anthony mason, charles oakley, rodman, and most of that era wasnt lettin' nobody walk to the rim like lbj does today. hell even john starks wasn't having any shit!! 
Wow






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I think the league needs to go back to Chuck Taylors
and one pair of tube socks.Keep the long shorts though.






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shel311
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Players today couldn't handle wearing Chucks and tube socks!!!!!!





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SabiDojo
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Lebron = GOAT





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BillyBobfan24_7
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Lebron = GOAT


funny. Maybe one day but its not even close right now.






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i wouldn't say it's "not even close" because as he's entering his prime, his performances are becoming quite legendary

he's had a 30+ PER 4 of the past 5 years. if we go to the last 6, his non-30 PER years were a 29.1 and 27.3

during Jordan's statistical peak in the late 80s/early 90s, he had 4 straight 30+ PER years sandwiched by a 29.8 and 27.7

after that run was his first retirement, and he never hit 30 again

so compared to jordan's 6 peak PER seasons, lebron is neck and neck with him. if lebron can continue a similar path of his past 6 years, he'll have a longer period of that super elite play

that is just one method of judgment, but it shows that the debate is pretty close...a lot closer than people like to state






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shel311
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Maybe one day but its not even close right now.
. It's a lot closer than "not even close"






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Clemens
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Shell you are a homo





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