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whoa now. many of those are just examples of re-districting that have been slanted to look racist




Btw, as an aside, redistricting or, gerrymandering, has in many cases resulted in the opposite effect desired by its proponents.






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Btw, as an aside, redistricting or, gerrymandering, has in many cases resulted in the opposite effect desired by its proponents.
A minor correction is in order.

I believe that it has resulted in EXACTLY the effect desired by the proponents. Just not the effect they CLAIMED they were after.

Democrats have achieved exactly what their racists asses wanted. Districts that are guaranteed black that put enough black faces in congress that they can say they are "doing something". Meanwhile, the fact that these districts are asbolute gimmes, they don't have to pay any attention whatsoever to the people who come out of those districts.

I mean, it aint like if they piss off Maxine Waters, they have to worry about losing her seat.

They've successfully put blacks in a corner and yet, blacks(as a group) are so fricking stupid, they think they've been done a favor.






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redistricting or, gerrymandering, has in many cases resulted in the opposite effect desired by its proponents.

i know, which is why if that's all they can bring up i have to laugh. one of them didn't even appear to be racist state action. they expanded black districts and one racist legislator is alleged to have called it the n-word plan

but some of these sound pathetic and have 1,000 other reasonable explanations. there is not enough information to accept them as racist actions because a biased source presented a snippet (Without both sides). again, this is just like that Ben Carson thread

also, unless you can show me that this same shite is isolated only to the south, then it's not a point. it is my belief that this shite happens everywhere. it's not a southern thing






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snippets


These aren't snippets from some MSNBC article. That is a block quote from the judicial opinion upholding Section 5 of the voting rights act.

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slanted


How do you slant, "I don't want to draw n***** districts"? Pretty facially racist, imo.


The stronger argument is that the South is just as racist as every else, but that requires admitting you are racist. Also, the Voting Rights Act allows other districts found guilty under Section 2 individual litigation to be subject to the provisions of Section 5 at judicial discretion, curing any underinclusive problems.






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These aren't snippets from some MSNBC article. That is a block quote from the judicial opinion upholding Section 5 of the voting rights act.


i know, but that doesn't make the accusations any more valid. this is an example of the problem that is the VRA. it assumes racism and explains all actions under that veil, while targeting a specific region and ignoring the rest of the country

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How do you slant, "I don't want to draw n***** districts"? Pretty facially racist, imo.

sure it's racist, but that is besides the point. a racist being racist doesn't affect the actual districts that were proposed. in that instance, it appeared they were expanding a black district to give blacks more power (unless i read it wrong)

if my reading is correct, why does it matter that one state legislator was racist?

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the South is just as racist as every else, but that requires admitting you are racist.

we're all xenophobic and we all discriminate against other people. sometimes that is manifested via race







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The stronger argument is that the South is just as racist as every else, but that requires admitting you are racist. Also, the Voting Rights Act allows other districts found guilty under Section 2 individual litigation to be subject to the provisions of Section 5 at judicial discretion, curing any underinclusive problems.



And the VRA covers states, districts and/or townships NOT in the South.






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not section 5, though, correct?





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• Waller County, Texas's 2004 attempt to reduce early voting at polling places near a historically black university and its threats to prosecute students for [*866] "illegal voting," after two black students announced their intent to run for office, Evidence of Continued Need 185-86.


I know a bit about this particular one. It was basically a publicity stunt. And that's the problem with these "examples"... they are easily trumped up.






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i'm trying to google this one. do you have any articles offhand? or people involved?





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not section 5, though, correct?


Section 5 is in place in parts of Michigan and California, Arizona and perhaps others.

Also New York and South Dakota.



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Anywhere you have strongly contrasting cultures you are going to have conflict.

In mos places it's limited to a city, where in the South it's region wide, simply because those clashing cultures are widespread.

We have the same perception of widespread racism between white/native/Filipino/Samoan groups here. All minority groups believe they are disliked because of their race/belief/gender and politicians quick to cash in.



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sure it's racist, but that is besides the point. a racist being racist doesn't affect the actual districts that were proposed


It's not besides the point of this thread, which intends to "expose the myth of the racist south.". It's also not beside the point in the court's eyes, when the case centers around the idea that the south has moved past its racist ways or is no loner racist. You read it partially right, the action was intended to increase black voting districts, but the court was pointing out modern examples of political hostility, not discrimination in that instance.

Further, these were just excerpts from numerous examples of modern instances.






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It's not besides the point of this thread, which intends to "expose the myth of the racist south."

nobody denies that within the southern population, there are racists. this applies to any other region, though

it has nothing to do with the south and the south isn't special in this regard, but the perception persists.

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It's also not beside the point in the court's eyes,

which is RE-tarded and shows how far progs will grasp to find racism to get on their soap boxes

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Further, these were just excerpts from numerous examples of modern instances.

and most were listed in a biased manner without both sides explaining their side

progs invent racism in non-racist things. they tell stories about these examples of invented racism as if they are outward racism. the self fulfilling prophecy is completed when the perception is cemented due to these actions.

when your side can invent racism (even when it doesn't exist), then you can always point out racism

that is MY point

regardless, everywhere is racist. there are indicators that the south is less racist than other areas. i believe the south has the highest percentage of biracial babies compared to any other region (i've heard this reported and i'm trying to find the actual numbers. typically other regions tout their "interracial marriage" stats, but this is tough in the south b/c we have so many poors having kids without getting married, and this is disproportionate among blacks. bi-racial marriage isn't a valid stat for this comparison in my eyes)



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So, this is your "gotcha" to the OP?

Let's all assume every example you provided fits the narrative (I doubt it does) and proves absolute racism that exists only in the South. With that assumption on your side (I'm giving you the win), you still prove the point of the article:

Kilmichael - 2001
Georgia - 1998
Missisippi - 1995
Washington Parish - 1993
Waller County - 2004

Did you even read the OP or the article and all the coloful maps attached with all the facts and figures?

Where were the racists between the passing of the Civil Rights Act and 1993 (your earliest example).

Good job driving the fail boat!

You need to do a better job of trying to rewrite history if this is all you have. You did NOTHING to prove the premise of the article wrong.

But go ahead and do what you know how to do:

shite all over the thread, ignore the obvious points, and strut around here like you won. It's what all of the progressive posters do anyway.






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this applies to any other region, though


And I admitted that the "everyone is racist argument" is the best, but that argument still concedes that the one advancing the argument is racist.

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which is RE-tarded and shows how far progs will grasp to find racism to get on their soap boxes


Shelby Alabama advanced the we aren't racist anymore logic. The court disagreed and provided modern examples.


Again, Section 5 can be applied to anyone found guilty under a section 2 violation. And any voting district, even a single county or parish, can show after 10 years that Section 5 shouldn't apply anymore and can get cleared.






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And I admitted that the "everyone is racist argument" is the best, but that argument still concedes that the one advancing the argument is racist.

which means that being a racist is meaningless

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Shelby Alabama advanced the we aren't racist anymore logic

i assume they didn't' claim that every person living in "the south" was racist. if so...link?

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And any voting district, even a single county or parish, can show after 10 years that Section 5 shouldn't apply anymore and can get cleared.

is there an objective list of criteria?

i've heard this before, but i've never read the act b/c i'd get so pissed off i wouldn't finish it






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Where were the racists between the passing of the Civil Rights Act and 1993 (your earliest example).


I didn't think I would have to provide pre-modern examples, when there are modern examples. Do you think the South stopped being racist in 1965 and picked it back up in 1993? Is your argument really that the South went from a Mississippi GOVERNOR protesting a black girl attending a public university to being non-racist and then back to racist? Wow.

Even if there was a break, which I don't think there was, how does that change the fact that the South IS racist today. No myth here.

Congress had reauthorized the VRA multiple times since then (the South gets congressional representation, no?) and the Court has consistently upheld it.

Your best argument is that everyone is racist. I don't know why you are fighting so hard to show the South isn't racist. Even it's black legislators are, see Alabama legislator's emails.






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I didn't think I would have to provide pre-modern examples, when there are modern examples.


So you didn't read the article or the points made in the OP. Got it. Thanks for making the point again. At least you are consistent.

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Do you think the South stopped being racist in 1965 and picked it back up in 1993?


Ok. I'll roll with it. MS was blue in several national elections. So it was, in fact, the DEMOCRATS who were the racists. Got it. Thanks for proving the article right.

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Is your argument really that the South went from a Mississippi GOVERNOR protesting a black girl attending a public university to being non-racist and then back to racist? Wow


Beautiful deflection. This is not what the OP is about. Solid point for another thread though.

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Even if there was a break, which I don't think there was, how does that change the fact that the South IS racist today


You are on a roll! This is fantasic.

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Congress had reauthorized the VRA multiple times since then (the South gets congressional representation, no?) and the Court has consistently upheld it.


More consistency. This is good. You are proving to be really good at ignoring the point of the OP.

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Your best argument is that everyone is racist.


I made this point in one of my replies earlier in the thread...

Again...you are missing the entire point of the OP.

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I don't know why you are fighting so hard to show the South isn't racist. Even it's black legislators are, see Alabama legislator's emails.


Again. Not what I said, as the OP.

The point of the OP is "who" was showing the racism if the south was, in fact, this bastion of racist hell. Repubs or Dems. History has shown it is the Democrats...

I don't feel like repeating the intent of the article. Again.







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"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

-- Lyndon B. Johnson


What's the evidence for this quote anyway?






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The criteria is a "clean record," which I take to mean no violations in 10 years and then asking for removal. I'm not 100% certain though. But counties have gotten removed from Sevrion 5 requirements.





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