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re: Wide Receiver concerns
Posted on 3/31/13 at 1:54 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 3/31/13 at 1:54 pm to BigBrod81
a decent perspective but I'd contrast-
"Jones is small, slow" doesn't compute with "able to play at a high level in college because of physical gifts "
The game tape shows a high impact playmaker. Whether it was overwhelming skills or overwhelming effort being small and slow I dunno. He was a beast.
The intangibles we really don't know. from our viewpoint "Jones doesn't appear to be the type of player the organization covets..." may be true. It may just be the public perception as well. Randy Moss always had public perception issues (which dropped his draft stock from #1-ish into the teens) but his teammates and coaches (including Belichick) only gave him top grades as a teammate and his contribution to the locker room. If talking LBs ya gotta go the original LT. Dude had super major issues. But he was one of the most dominant defenders in NFL history. I have complete trust in the FO to sort out if he fits here beyond the game skills. Shockey fell into line here. Hargorve was on his last strike when he came here. Carl Nicks was a 5th Rder instead of a 2nd over the off field concerns. They've proven well in sifting through these kind of players under Payton.
"Jones is small, slow" doesn't compute with "able to play at a high level in college because of physical gifts "
The game tape shows a high impact playmaker. Whether it was overwhelming skills or overwhelming effort being small and slow I dunno. He was a beast.
The intangibles we really don't know. from our viewpoint "Jones doesn't appear to be the type of player the organization covets..." may be true. It may just be the public perception as well. Randy Moss always had public perception issues (which dropped his draft stock from #1-ish into the teens) but his teammates and coaches (including Belichick) only gave him top grades as a teammate and his contribution to the locker room. If talking LBs ya gotta go the original LT. Dude had super major issues. But he was one of the most dominant defenders in NFL history. I have complete trust in the FO to sort out if he fits here beyond the game skills. Shockey fell into line here. Hargorve was on his last strike when he came here. Carl Nicks was a 5th Rder instead of a 2nd over the off field concerns. They've proven well in sifting through these kind of players under Payton.
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Posted on 3/31/13 at 3:25 pm to blueslover
You are comparing two of the greatest physically gifted players in NFL History in Lawrence Taylor & Randy Moss to Jarvis Jones? That's a bit of a stretch there don't you think? You are lumping in off the field issues into the same category as lack of preparation which are two totally different situations.
No matter what Taylor or Moss did off the field, you never heard anything negative from a preparation standpoint. Both played under very demanding coaches in Parcells & Belicheck & both drew praise from those two for their knowledge of the game & their preparation. We have yet to hear the same regarding Jones even though he was one of the top college players the last two years.
Being small is meaningless on the college level if you are the best player on the field. Tyrann Mathieu is a perfect an example of this. One can excell on the college level because not everyone on that level will make it to the next level. A player can get away with being physically good & not putting in the extra effort & work but that changes on the pro level when going up against the best of the best week in & week out.
If every NFL team went off of game tape for every draft then every Heisman winner in college would be the number overall pick. Game film is not THE SAY ALL determining factor when making the decision on a selection. It includes multiple factors as it should especially when it involves making a selection in the first half of the 1st round. You can go back years & look at film on college players who were lights out on that level but flopped in the NFL because they were undersized or lacked the proper work ethic. Jones has both of those going against him. Jones' size & work ethic scream NFL bust especially when the players lining up across from him or competing with him for his position are putting in that extra effort.
Besides game film, what other factors suggest Jones should be a high draft pick? His size? No. His speed? No? His work ethic? No? Great physical tools that project well on the next level? No. All people are leaning on are is his game film & that can be a huge mistake when projecting how a player will perform on the next level.
No matter what Taylor or Moss did off the field, you never heard anything negative from a preparation standpoint. Both played under very demanding coaches in Parcells & Belicheck & both drew praise from those two for their knowledge of the game & their preparation. We have yet to hear the same regarding Jones even though he was one of the top college players the last two years.
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"Jones is small, slow" doesn't compute with "able to play at a high level in college because of physical gifts "
Being small is meaningless on the college level if you are the best player on the field. Tyrann Mathieu is a perfect an example of this. One can excell on the college level because not everyone on that level will make it to the next level. A player can get away with being physically good & not putting in the extra effort & work but that changes on the pro level when going up against the best of the best week in & week out.
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The game tape shows a high impact playmaker.
If every NFL team went off of game tape for every draft then every Heisman winner in college would be the number overall pick. Game film is not THE SAY ALL determining factor when making the decision on a selection. It includes multiple factors as it should especially when it involves making a selection in the first half of the 1st round. You can go back years & look at film on college players who were lights out on that level but flopped in the NFL because they were undersized or lacked the proper work ethic. Jones has both of those going against him. Jones' size & work ethic scream NFL bust especially when the players lining up across from him or competing with him for his position are putting in that extra effort.
Besides game film, what other factors suggest Jones should be a high draft pick? His size? No. His speed? No? His work ethic? No? Great physical tools that project well on the next level? No. All people are leaning on are is his game film & that can be a huge mistake when projecting how a player will perform on the next level.
This post was edited on 3/31/13 at 3:43 pm
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