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re: Wide Receiver concerns
Posted on 3/30/13 at 8:26 pm to MISSIPSAINT
Posted on 3/30/13 at 8:26 pm to MISSIPSAINT
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a 5th round Wr who has good hands and has great route running and will see another Colston.
Technically if its known he has that, it makes him a 1-2nd rounder.
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Posted on 3/30/13 at 8:39 pm to Cajun Revolution
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Technically if he is known for that; he is a 1st or 2nd.
I would say you have a point there but we will not draft a WR in the first or third unless he is the BPA. If we get another CB, I say we target a WR in later rounds.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 8:58 pm to Drex
We're gonna shock the world and bring back Mike Haas complete the awesomeness that is our WR corps.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 9:05 pm to Cajun Revolution
quote:Yeah he only had over 1,000 yards last season. Dude sucks
When Lance Moore is your #2 you have issues
Posted on 3/30/13 at 9:13 pm to Hazelnut
The best thing that could come out of this thread is to have everybody think we are going WR with #15. Then we trade down and get the BPA for OLB and a LT or WR in the 2nd round unless a 10 year starter drops to #15.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 9:41 pm to Drex
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unless a 10 year starter drops to #15
I guess you're talking about someone who will be a 10 year starter at the next level.
This post was edited on 3/30/13 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 3/30/13 at 9:50 pm to adono
Well, I'm not talking about a 10 year college starter unless you're implying we include high school, K-12 and playgounds.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 9:52 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:
Jesus
haven't you heard the good news?
he has risen.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 10:13 pm to LooseCannon22282
Posted on 3/30/13 at 10:20 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 3/31/13 at 1:01 am to Drex
quote:
Wide Receiver concerns
haven't had wr concerns since before 06'. you shouldn't either!!!
Posted on 3/31/13 at 1:50 am to Drex
The returnees in the passing game (WRs/TEs/RB's) accounted for 4,551 yards (91%) of the 4,997 passing yards the Saints achieved last year, along with 38 of 43 TD rec's.
7th rd pick Colston & UDFA Moore each had 1000+ yards and 3rd rd pick Graham was 18 yards away from the Saints having three 1000 yard catchers, while altogether accounting for 25 TD rec's.
It is a luxury, not a priority to upgrade the passing game via the WR position (for the present & future) with the #15 pick when there are more urgent present & future needs:
-a non-existent pass-rushing OLB,
-an undersized NT Bunkley,
-an oft-injured & aging ILB Vilma,
-an aging RDE W. Smith,
-an oft-injured LT Charles Brown,
-a coverage liablity SS Roman Harper,
-a deer-in-the-headlights NB Corey White,
-a mediocre RT Strief
-an inconsistent FS Jenkins
I will concede there is a deep speed DEPTH problem behind Morgan. The passing game was off following Meachem's exit until Morgan's deep speed was finally used in the GB game & made defenses honest, thus susceptible. The Saints won 5 out of the next 7 because our only hope (the passing game) was finally clicking. If Morgan goes down, the field gets smaller for pass defenders.
Upgrading the worst defense in the history of the league is unequivocally paramount. Fixing the flat tire is more of a priority to get things rolling faster than switching from regular to premium unleaded.
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7th rd pick Colston & UDFA Moore each had 1000+ yards and 3rd rd pick Graham was 18 yards away from the Saints having three 1000 yard catchers, while altogether accounting for 25 TD rec's.
It is a luxury, not a priority to upgrade the passing game via the WR position (for the present & future) with the #15 pick when there are more urgent present & future needs:
-a non-existent pass-rushing OLB,
-an undersized NT Bunkley,
-an oft-injured & aging ILB Vilma,
-an aging RDE W. Smith,
-an oft-injured LT Charles Brown,
-a coverage liablity SS Roman Harper,
-a deer-in-the-headlights NB Corey White,
-a mediocre RT Strief
-an inconsistent FS Jenkins
I will concede there is a deep speed DEPTH problem behind Morgan. The passing game was off following Meachem's exit until Morgan's deep speed was finally used in the GB game & made defenses honest, thus susceptible. The Saints won 5 out of the next 7 because our only hope (the passing game) was finally clicking. If Morgan goes down, the field gets smaller for pass defenders.
Upgrading the worst defense in the history of the league is unequivocally paramount. Fixing the flat tire is more of a priority to get things rolling faster than switching from regular to premium unleaded.
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This post was edited on 3/31/13 at 2:31 am
Posted on 3/31/13 at 2:03 am to LSUFreek
This deserves its own thread IMO, Freek. I completely agree with everything you said. (frick, didn't mean to put the Geaux Tigers emoticon)
Meant this instead,
(Was on phone)
I do think that this could be a problem, as far as speed is concerned. Toon I see as a potential Colston-type of player, good possession guy, which of course is extremely valuable. But, as far as speed guys to stretch the field, outside of Morgan the Saints really don't have anything.
Meant this instead,
(Was on phone) I do think that this could be a problem, as far as speed is concerned. Toon I see as a potential Colston-type of player, good possession guy, which of course is extremely valuable. But, as far as speed guys to stretch the field, outside of Morgan the Saints really don't have anything.
This post was edited on 3/31/13 at 3:18 am
Posted on 3/31/13 at 2:54 am to CocoLoco
Exactly, CoCo.
Sure, if Patterson or Austin were drafted with the #15 pick, I know it would help the passing game run smoother. Anybody would be crazy to deny that.
However, I doubt it would translate into more wins. But for the sake of the argument, let's say it adds at least one or two.
Whereas, adding an elite pass rusher to compliment Butler, and adding a space-eating disruptor at NT and adding a healthy young ILB, and adding an in-the-box SS who can aslo cover or adding another small school gem at LT...now that could make us Super Bowl contenders.
Sure, if Patterson or Austin were drafted with the #15 pick, I know it would help the passing game run smoother. Anybody would be crazy to deny that.
However, I doubt it would translate into more wins. But for the sake of the argument, let's say it adds at least one or two.
Whereas, adding an elite pass rusher to compliment Butler, and adding a space-eating disruptor at NT and adding a healthy young ILB, and adding an in-the-box SS who can aslo cover or adding another small school gem at LT...now that could make us Super Bowl contenders.
Posted on 3/31/13 at 3:38 am to LSUFreek
I'm going to hope as much as I possibly can for Jarvis Jones, I believe he could be that kind of difference maker. I believe he could be a disruptive player that could change a game. He is what this team needs more than anything else, some kind of play-maker/game-changer. The Saints haven't had anyone close to that since Darren Sharper.
There are other players I'd still be happy about, but none would make me as happy as he would. The more film I've watched of him, the more I think he could be a terror in Ryan's scheme. *Mathieu is a possibility in the 3rd, as much as I hate his personality he's a game changer, but that's for a different thread.
But, if all of the possible dream picks are gone, and no trading back has taken place, I am content with a receiver like Austin, it only adds another weapon to what has made this team great over the years (the 2012 season doesn't count). I've been talking up Tez since we drafted the guy, sooner or later it'll fall through, and Galette/Butler are both promising. Surely one of the three will do SOMETHING. The offense definitely isn't getting any younger, but I really am not worried about them, they will still be hard to stop, especially with Payton looking to prove a point. I'll be surprised if this isn't a top 5 offense next season, even tempted to put a bet on it. Best case scenario is that the Saints draft a legit OLB and Morgan/Toon show that they are capable of consistent playing time, for the long term.
There are other players I'd still be happy about, but none would make me as happy as he would. The more film I've watched of him, the more I think he could be a terror in Ryan's scheme. *Mathieu is a possibility in the 3rd, as much as I hate his personality he's a game changer, but that's for a different thread.
But, if all of the possible dream picks are gone, and no trading back has taken place, I am content with a receiver like Austin, it only adds another weapon to what has made this team great over the years (the 2012 season doesn't count). I've been talking up Tez since we drafted the guy, sooner or later it'll fall through, and Galette/Butler are both promising. Surely one of the three will do SOMETHING. The offense definitely isn't getting any younger, but I really am not worried about them, they will still be hard to stop, especially with Payton looking to prove a point. I'll be surprised if this isn't a top 5 offense next season, even tempted to put a bet on it. Best case scenario is that the Saints draft a legit OLB and Morgan/Toon show that they are capable of consistent playing time, for the long term.
Posted on 3/31/13 at 4:11 am to CocoLoco
We think alike. I look at Jarvis Jones' film and just see a playmaker, despite that awful 40 time. You can't chip him and Butler. Plays will be made. But I think even Mingo would work with that formula. Add in Wilson & Galette and you have a promising rotation of disruption that we haven't had in 20 years.
I know that if we improve the defense to just mediocre staus, it gets the ball back to Brees either through INT's, fumbles or punts. The Saints offense scored 28.8 points a game, 3rd best in the league, but was sadly saddled with the shittiest defense in league history, while giving up 28.4 ppg which was 2nd worst in the NFL. I'm surprised they won 7 games. If the defense would have only allowed a mediocre 22 ppg (which was the 16th worst ppg allowed last year) the Saints would have been a playoff team, and that's without Sean Payton at the helm.
The Saints priority is not to score more. Their priority is to have opponents score less.
I know that if we improve the defense to just mediocre staus, it gets the ball back to Brees either through INT's, fumbles or punts. The Saints offense scored 28.8 points a game, 3rd best in the league, but was sadly saddled with the shittiest defense in league history, while giving up 28.4 ppg which was 2nd worst in the NFL. I'm surprised they won 7 games. If the defense would have only allowed a mediocre 22 ppg (which was the 16th worst ppg allowed last year) the Saints would have been a playoff team, and that's without Sean Payton at the helm.
The Saints priority is not to score more. Their priority is to have opponents score less.
Posted on 3/31/13 at 6:45 am to LSUFreek
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Upgrading the worst defense in the history of the league is unequivocally paramount. Fixing the flat tire is more of a priority to get things rolling faster than switching from regular to premium unleaded.
Excellent!
Posted on 3/31/13 at 10:16 am to CocoLoco
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Whereas, adding an elite pass rusher to compliment Butler, and adding a space-eating disruptor at NT and adding a healthy young ILB, and adding an in-the-box SS who can aslo cover or adding another small school gem at LT...now that could make us Super Bowl contenders.
LSUFreek and Coco both make good points. I agree with y'all about needing to add something to the defense in the 1st round. I'm hoping for an OLB.
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But, if all of the possible dream picks are gone, and no trading back has taken place, I am content with a receiver like Austin
I'm curious though, who would you pick if you had to go WR?
Patterson or Austin
Posted on 3/31/13 at 10:26 am to SSHellfighter
I think I'd take Patterson. With a little coaching I could see him being a legit number 1 like Dez although he doesn't have Dez's ability to catch the ball away from his body.
Posted on 3/31/13 at 11:26 am to St Augustine
I agree. He would be my pick. His size and speed is really appealing. He has a lot of potential.
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