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Why do schools give non committable offers?

Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:24 pm
Posted by Big Lake
Member since Jul 2011
3844 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:24 pm
I realize most schools do but what is the strategy behind it? It seems like a good way to get in a sticky situation or mess with the kid's head. What are they benefits other than saying that you are interested?
Posted by mdanyc03
Member since Aug 2012
83 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:40 pm to
In its most innocent form, it just reflects the fact that you extend more offers than you have scholarships. So if you are looking for two running backs and extend four offers and two commit, the other offers become non commitable. You don't call the kid up and say "you offer is now rescinded." You just might stop actively recruiting him.

A more manipulative version is when a coach is just trying to get a kid's attention when he is still a fall back option. You give him a phoney offer so he thinks it is worth his time and money to make a visit on his own dime. Then you don't ask him to commit until your first option falls away. If he tries to commit then you slow play him. "Why don't you take your time and make sure you are ready."

That prevents your option B from commiting to a second tier option while you are still waiting to hear from option A.
Posted by rzd30
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2008
1108 posts
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:55 pm to
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mdanyc03


Pretty good decription, happens mostly just in football, some in basketball for the larger schools back-up plans. I think one thing that coaches do is for obvious reasons when a kid commits elsewhere they can say well we offered but in reality they really didn't, and some coaches definately do it now with the intention other programs will also give the kid a scholly. I hate this part of athletics because it leaves a lot of young kids out to dry and wish it was somehow no longer a part of college athletics, "Just cannot imagine telling a young man, yea we like your game a lot, but your not quite as good as some others, but if so and so doesn't commit you are our guy, and then the kid spurns other offers." But hey its college atheltics
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:07 am to
How is this much diffeent than the hiring process for college graduates? The soon to be graduate submits a resume seeking an in campus interview. This is analogous to the high school player sending tapes to the college for their review hoping to get the coaches interested. The on campus interview for the soon to be graduate is like the high school player attending a camp to check for measureables and athleticism against other quality athletes. The office invite by the prospective employer to is the same as a noncommittable offer to come check us out while we make sure you are our guy. The commitable offer for the recruit is the job offer to the graduate.
Posted by RollTigers
Member since Dec 2010
3274 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:34 am to
I like the analogy, but the difference is that an interview for a job doesn't suggest in any way that you already have the job like these offers
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36237 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:54 am to
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I like the analogy, but the difference is that an interview for a job doesn't suggest in any way that you already have the job like these offers


Right. That's like them offering you the job but telling you to call back in three weeks just in case.


I've been paying attention to recruiting for a while now and it will always be sleezy and people will do whatever it takes, but I'd like to see the NCAA catch up to some of this. First thing I'd like to see is no offers before March of a kids junior year. Next, schools can only have thirty five outstanding offers at any time and all offers are commitable. That should curtail schools like bama who send out 120 "offers" and keep some of these kids from getting left out in the cold. Just my personal opinion though.
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2691 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:57 am to
I liken it to "poking" somebody on facebook. It is just let that person know you are thinking about them while knowing your boundaries and not giving the other person too much false hope.
Posted by geauxGreeks
Member since Sep 2012
1831 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:10 am to
The EA Sports model of recruiting! Sounds like a good idea, but you know some would find ways around it. I'm all in favor of early signing period. Would help in some ways. Recruiting is the chess game of college football and both sides play it at times.
Posted by jrevonte
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1801 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:41 am to
Potential ability of athlete...I liken it to fishing. Send out as many offers to kids that I like to see if they are interested...once he is hooked the coaching staff either keeps him or throws him back to try for a bigger fish
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 9:47 am
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3311 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:55 am to
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Potential ability of athlete...I liken it to fishing. Send out as many offers to kids that I like to see if they are interested...once he is hooked the coaching staff either keeps him or throws him back to try for a bigger fish


This is very accurate. They all are offering more than the allotted 25. Then there is a pecking order. If they get their top guys then fine. If they miss on one, they drop to the next guy on the list. The ones at the bottom get "slow played". I don't like it either, but it is how some chose to play. Both sides can be at fault here, as I see some kids play the schools. To me you either want me or you don't, and are either offering or you are no. You are correct, there are "committable" offers and then there are offers that just let you know they are interested.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23268 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:16 am to
I don't believe that anyone has mentioned that some offers are non-commitable, only with the contingency that the recruit must show up to camp, so the staff can see him in person. It is more of a contingent offer.

It doesn't seem to be as big of a gray area between coaching staffs and recruits as it is to fans. I think the terms of these offers are communicated more clearly than we give them credit for. It is just when a kid gets "burned" we tend to focus on those instances, when we really have no way of knowing the full story.

Just my take on it.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61026 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:16 am to
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I hate this part of athletics because it leaves a lot of young kids out to dry


It's because of the scholarship limits. There are good reasons for the limits, but there are always unintended consequences and that's one.

It also sounds a little dirtier than it is. Look at a guy like Duke Riley, by being patient, he was able to sign with the school he wanted. That LSU would rather have taken say Nkimdiche or Rubuen Foster is nothing personal.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61026 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:20 am to
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Right. That's like them offering you the job but telling you to call back in three weeks just in case


Not really, the non-commitable offer is just that.I think his anolgy is a good one. The difference is, if a firm is looking to hire 25 new grads and they extend 50 offers and 40 accept, they can just hire fewer next year.
Posted by tigerprl
DFW
Member since Dec 2010
1278 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:39 am to
It works both ways though. Just because a recruit gives a verbal commit it is not valid until signing day and he faxes in the LOI. They can change their mind and go elsewhere. Ie GK our EE who just didn't bother to show up for class on first day of school. We took offensive tackle Patrick Miller scholly away from him and gave it to GK and Miller decommits and goes to Auburn. Nothing is for sure till it's for sure.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 10:53 am to
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Next, schools can only have thirty five outstanding offers at any time and all offers are commitable.

I like this idea.
Posted by oldschoolgreats
Member since Nov 2012
1902 posts
Posted on 3/26/13 at 11:36 am to
there is nothing wrong with a school or player changing their mind about an offer or a commitment. what is shady is when a school offers a player and knows full well it won't accept that player at the time of the offer. unless that is directly reportly to the player (in which case what is the point of the offer anyway) it is shady in my opinion.
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