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If John Mcenroe Entered the Women's Draw This Week in Miami...

Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:48 am
Posted by bobbyray21
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:48 am
Miami is a Master's event, and so every top player is in the draw. Since all WTA matches are best of three sets, it's really no different than a Grand Slam.

Johnny Mac is 54.

How do you think he would do?
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:49 am to
He'd lose to one of those Williams guys.
Posted by gizmoflak
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:50 am to
even money to win the event
Posted by bobbyray21
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:50 am to
-175 to win the event.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:53 am to
Fitness would be his biggest issue. No way playing every day like that doesn't take its toll on his body. He'd probably make the quarters or semis before flaming out due to the fatigue issues. The women are in better shape, and that would add up in the second week.
Posted by gizmoflak
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:55 am to
how many smoke breaks is he allowed during a match?
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 11:57 am to
Every changeover. Like a boss.
Posted by bobbyray21
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

Fitness would be his biggest issue. No way playing every day like that doesn't take its toll on his body. He'd probably make the quarters or semis before flaming out due to the fatigue issues. The women are in better shape, and that would add up in the second week.


Johnny Mac plays tennis every day of his life. He's in really good shape. I realize that when he plays exhibitions against Lendl, Courier, Chang, Agassi or the like, that he doesn't have to come back the next day and play again. He comes in rested and has time to recover before moving on to another town and another payday. But I also think he would beat any player outside the top 50 with relative ease. Maybe even any player outside the top 20.

And so, depending on the draw, he wouldn't put much of a pounding on his body until the quarters.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:09 pm to
There's a large difference between the exhibition tennis he plays and actual tournament tennis. I mean, he wants to beat Agassi and the like, but no one is truly going like they did back in the day.

In a one off match, he'd beat just about anyone on the women's tour with ease save the top 10 or so. The top 10 would be competitive either way. But in a draw? No way a 54 year old doesn't experience difficulties with that. It's just a matter of getting older. It's hard to bounce back.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:09 pm to
I have no idea why, but I think he beats most of them, but loses in the semis to top five players. I will say he looks really impressive in some of the exos I have seen and is in great shape, but I have a tough time seeing him beat Vika or Serena. Then again, Kerber and Woz literally played 12 year old level moonball the other day, and I think Mac crushes them.

It's interesting, though, people will throw this stuff out about a high level 5.0 v. Johnny Mac, and most say Johnny Mac wins 0 and 0 in 40 minutes.


Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:15 pm to
I watched Roddick demolish Scoville Jenkins many years ago on Ashe. Two days later, I watched Mac beat him even worse on a practice court. Just serve and volley, chip and charge, every single point. It was really embarrassing for Jenkins.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:26 pm to
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But I also think he would beat any player outside the top 50 with relative ease.


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Maybe even any player outside the top 20.


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he'd beat just about anyone on the women's tour with ease save the top 10 or so



Who's got top 5? Anybody? Top 5..

Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

I have no idea why, but I think he beats most of them, but loses in the semis to top five players. I will say he looks really impressive in some of the exos I have seen and is in great shape, but I have a tough time seeing him beat Vika or Serena. Then again, Kerber and Woz literally played 12 year old level moonball the other day, and I think Mac crushes them.

It's interesting, though, people will throw this stuff out about a high level 5.0 v. Johnny Mac, and most say Johnny Mac wins 0 and 0 in 40 minutes.



1. The 5.0 level in tennis is a ghost town, though. Guys that are really good will tank matches to remain at 4.5 and avoid getting bumped to 5.0. Because once you're at 5.0, there are very few leagues and tournaments to play. Anyway, the reason that's important is because it makes it difficult to define the level of play from your average 5.0 player.

I played frequently in college -- not at UT, but when I was co-op'ing -- with a guy from Argentina who either won NAIA singles outright, or was #1 on the team that won the NAIA team competition. I think it was NAIA. Could have been D-3. Not positive on that. I'm a 4.5, but he played with me because he wanted to keep me around as his wingman at bars and clubs (his English was pretty bad).

Anyway, he self-rated as a 6.0, and he was really good, but he couldn't have played at UT. And there's no question Johnny Mac would have worked him over every single day of the week. And I suspect a top female would have done the very same. So maybe he was more like a 5.5? I don't even know. It's tough to say.

2. Johnny Mac would toy with Wozniacki. He'd make her look really really bad.

3. I also think he'd work over Sharapova pretty well.

4. I agree that Vika or Serena pose a much greater problem. If they were to play one match for all the marbles, I think Johnny Mac would likely win by a score of maybe 6-4, 6-3. They'd both have a great deal of difficulty breaking his serve -- which is still excellent -- and his unorthdox game cuts against their strengths.

Basically, I'm thinking that on the return of serve McEnroe be like a better version of Martina Hingis. He'd get breaks because he knows how to construct points and take away the things they do best. He's crafty like that.

But on one of their better days and one of his off days, they could conceivably beat him.

Is Serena really in better shape than Johnny Mac?
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
9490 posts
Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

I watched Roddick demolish Scoville Jenkins many years ago on Ashe. Two days later, I watched Mac beat him even worse on a practice court. Just serve and volley, chip and charge, every single point. It was really embarrassing for Jenkins.


Who is Scoville Jenkins?
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:39 pm to
Former US up-and-comer that never took off. Got a few wildcards into the Open. He's from Georgia, I believe.
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:42 pm to
He'll either win the event or finish runner-up to Serena Williams.
Posted by bobbyray21
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:42 pm to
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Former US up-and-comer that never took off. Got a few wildcards into the Open. He's from Georgia, I believe.


Did he just end up bouncing around on the Futures circuit?
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:43 pm to
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I played frequently in college -- not at UT, but when I was co-op'ing -- with a guy from Argentina who either won NAIA singles outright, or was #1 on the team that won the NAIA team competition. I think it was NAIA. Could have been D-3. Not positive on that. I'm a 4.5, but he played with me because he wanted to keep me around as his wingman at bars and clubs (his English was pretty bad).


In case you were curious, I never got a set off him, but I did take him to a tiebreaker once.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:47 pm to
He actually qualified for the French but lost in the first round in like 2008. He retired and coaches now.
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

He actually qualified for the French but lost in the first round in like 2008. He retired and coaches now.


Pro tennis is no cakewalk. For guys ranked between 100-500*, they are playing each week just to get enough money to travel to the next tournament and do the same thing. It's a tough climb.


*If you've been on tour for more than two years, and you haven't cracked the top 500, you should quit.
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