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Were there pandas on the ark? If only two, that species would never have made it. They don't like to reproduce once in captivity.





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Revelation has yet to occur so you can't qualify the claims therein.





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We're all gonna die!

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In December 2011, shortly after CERN teams first declared that they had seen signs of the famous boson with a mass of 125 billion electron volts, Gian Giudice, a CERN theorist, and his colleagues ran the numbers and concluded that the universe was in a precarious condition and could be prone to collapse in the far, far future.

The reason lies in the Higgs field, the medium of which the Higgs boson is the messenger and which determines the structure of empty space, i.e., the vacuum.

It works like this. The Higgs field, like everything else in nature, is lazy, and, like water running downhill, always seeks to be in the state of lowest energy. Physicists assume that the Higgs field today is in the lowest state possible, but Dr. Giudice found that was not the case. What counts as rock bottom in today’s universe could turn out to be just a plateau.

Our universe is like a rock perched precariously on a mountaintop, he explained, in what physicists call a metastable state. The Higgs field could drop to a lower value by a process known as quantum tunneling, although it is not imminent.

Dr. Giudice’s calculations suggest that it would take much longer than the age of the universe; the whole Milky Way galaxy could disappear into a black hole long before then. Which is good.

If that should happen — tomorrow or billions of years from now — a bubble would sweep out through the universe at the speed of light, obliterating the laws of nature as we know them.

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And not to add more fuel to the stupid religion debate that's polluting this thread, but:

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It’s a puzzle, he said, why the universe exists in such a critical state. In an e-mail, Dr. Giudice wrote, “Why do we happen to live at the edge of collapse?”

He went on, “In my view, the message about near-criticality of the universe is the most important thing we have learned from the discovery of the Higgs boson so far.”

Guido Tonelli of CERN and the University of Pisa, said, “If true, it is somehow magic.” We wouldn’t be having this discussion, he said, if there hadn’t been enough time already for this universe to produce galaxies, stars, planets and “human beings who are attempting to produce a vision of the world,” he said.

“So, in some sense, we are here, because we have been lucky, because for this particular universe the lottery produced a certain set of numbers, which allow the universe to have an evolution, which is very long.”






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I have no reason to believe that. The existence of Jesus(although they debate who he really was) is pretty much agreed upon. Even Bart Ehrman who people seem to bring up here some and the majority of secular scholars agree with this. I'm not sure how this is relevant.





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Revelation has yet to occur so you can't qualify the claims therein.

You are making my point, as a good portion of Revelation has already occurred.






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I wasn't making the point that any of scripture is false. For instance, Revelation uses a lot of sybolism. If you take it all literally, then you literally miss the point. It's called apocalyptic literature.


You really think John, writing Rev before his death, said to himself, "You know what, I have wrote some Apocalyptic literature before, lets try that this time"? No. He was under sever bodily distress and was hallucinating, at the best. I know the ways of interpreting the book. I was in seminary before I figured out this was all man made superstition coming from the infancy of our species.

Religion was our first attempt at science. Men, fearful of the chaotic world around them, came up with higher powers who caused the events they could not explain. It was comforting to them. Religion deserves to be given a short, but not too sweet, dismissal to a display in the Smithsonian.






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I asked for proof that there was no evidence of a flood, not a link to some guys site who gives his reasons for not believing. Should I take this guy's word on faith?





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I didn't realize you knew John was in error in writing the book. I guess I was wrong.





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I asked for proof that there was no evidence of a flood, not a link to some guys site who gives his reasons for not believing. Should I take this guy's word on faith?


You don't take anything from anyone on faith. That is your problem.

I think the best evidence is genetics, specifically population bottlenecks. Bottlenecks occur when a species suffers a massive population loss (in this case, due to the supposed flood) and the species genetic variations are greatly reduced due to inbreeding. We can actually see this when looking at a population's allele frequencies. There is no evidence of this occurring in every species on Earth at the same time. Checkmate.






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So I should put more stock in the faith you put in someone? This is your argument?

Anyway, I'm bowing out now as it's time for a shower. I believe I've shown sufficiently that the other side here is arguing from a position of faith. My task is complete.



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I asked for proof that there was no evidence of a flood, not a link to some guys site who gives his reasons for not believing. Should I take this guy's word on faith?

you can't prove the negative like that. just like you can't prove that God does not exist. You could prove that other things happened to an environment that would eliminate the possibility of a flood. In the same way, some are hoping the Higgs Boson can prove that something else is responsible for everything that Christians attribute to God. In theory, this would prove God doesn't exist, because there would be no place for God.






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Right, so why did Doc make the claim? He said it's been proven.


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So I should put more stock in the faith you put in someone? This is your argument?


Are you purposefully ignoring anything I have posted? I am not saying ANYTHING about faith.

If you are going to make the EXTRAORDINARY claim a few thousand years ago 99.9 percent of every species on the Earth was wiped out in a world wide flood you need EXTRAORDINARY evidence. The problem is you have none what-so-ever.






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Is Doc or any other atheist scientists? Being an engineer and heavily versed in physics and scientific method, I find nature to be extremely elegant and sophisticated. The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy increases with time. If this is true, then entropy created the magnificent universe and the tiny, hospitable rock we call home. I dont claim to understand the origins of time-space or the universe itself. I dont claim to know much of quantum mechanics or the behavior or sub atomic particles as the ones discussed. I do believe that a Creator exists and has a hand in everything we sense to our daily lives. Religion gets a bad rap because of how it has evolved over the years. People will be people and put their spin/views on it however they can. I claim to belong to no particular religion, but do claim to believe in the existence of a Creator, who created everything we see. How and why this was created is a question that mankind will search for until we become extinct. It is the nature of humans. That is proof to me of a Creator, that a species can contemplate such things as the creation of the universe. But that's just my opinion and I definitely respect others who believe humans will someday understand the true workings of mother nature, however egocentric that is.





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Actually your previous post was a mention of faith, but regardless....The reason you don't mention faith is because it's an embarrassment that you rely on faith and it puts you on equal footing with Christians. Regardless, anyone can read the conversation for themselves and see the faith you and Doc have relied on. Okay I seriously am going this time. Have a good day fellas





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Is Doc or any other atheist scientists? Being an engineer and heavily versed in physics and scientific method, I find nature to be extremely elegant and sophisticated. The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy increases with time. If this is true, then entropy created the magnificent universe and the tiny, hospitable rock we call home. I dont claim to understand the origins of time-space or the universe itself. I dont claim to know much of quantum mechanics or the behavior or sub atomic particles as the ones discussed. I do believe that a Creator exists and has a hand in everything we sense to our daily lives. Religion gets a bad rap because of how it has evolved over the years. People will be people and put their spin/views on it however they can. I claim to belong to no particular religion, but do claim to believe in the existence of a Creator, who created everything we see. How and why this was created is a question that mankind will search for until we become extinct. It is the nature of humans. That is proof to me of a Creator, that a species can contemplate such things as the creation of the universe. But that's just my opinion and I definitely respect others who believe humans will someday understand the true workings of mother nature, however egocentric that is.


I understand why people can believe in Deism (which is what you described). The idea that the universe was created by an uncaused cause, an unmovable mover. However, scientifically it does not seem necessary for there to be one.






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Actually your previous post was a mention of faith, but regardless....The reason you don't mention faith is because it's an embarrassment that you rely on faith and it puts you on equal footing with Christians. Regardless, anyone can read the conversation for themselves and see the faith you and Doc have relied on. Okay I seriously am going this time. Have a good day fellas


Well, I guess I learned the validity of this quote:

“Do not argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I listed many reasons NOT to believe the acts we talked about, yet you still say I rely on faith. Faith is believing something without facts to support it, or even when evidence says the contrary. You have a butchered definition of faith.






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Actually, I lied....
You just made up your own definition of faith. Faith isn't the absence of having reasons to believe. You have faith that what is posted on that site is true, despite you not having evidence of all the claims. Your faith, is the same faith you credit me with. Okay, now I'm done. Btw, you don't win by calling me an idiot, but at least you admit I beat you






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And that [the unheard-of precision of the processes associated with the "Big Bang"] is supposed to have happened by chance?! What an absurd idea!

Walter Thirring, Austrian physicist








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