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Why does Loomis get so much credit?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:18 am
I just don't see the "love" for Loomis. I think he sucks.
Sure, he has found some diamonds in the rough like Graham, PT, Moore, Gallette, Hicks and some guys who have been serviceable: Dave Thomas, Grubbs, Robinson, Casillas, Mack
But for any one of those guys, I can give you just as many that he has absolutely bombed on, with special attention to the busts in the first few rounds. I don't have any faith in him to get this defense back on track talent-wise, and keep pace with San Fran or Seattle for tops in the NFC.
Some FA and draft bombs:
Ingram (1st rd pick)
J. Patrick
Al Woods
Ellis (1st rd pick)
Jenkins (1st rd pick)
A. Franklin
Herring
S. Rogers
A. Pittman
Tennant
various other OL
McBride
Bush (yes, Reggie was a bust at #2 overall)
Meachem (1st rd pick that wasn't 1st rd talent)
...not to mention the absolute bombs he picked/acquired before Payton's arrival.
Sure, he has found some diamonds in the rough like Graham, PT, Moore, Gallette, Hicks and some guys who have been serviceable: Dave Thomas, Grubbs, Robinson, Casillas, Mack
But for any one of those guys, I can give you just as many that he has absolutely bombed on, with special attention to the busts in the first few rounds. I don't have any faith in him to get this defense back on track talent-wise, and keep pace with San Fran or Seattle for tops in the NFC.
Some FA and draft bombs:
Ingram (1st rd pick)
J. Patrick
Al Woods
Ellis (1st rd pick)
Jenkins (1st rd pick)
A. Franklin
Herring
S. Rogers
A. Pittman
Tennant
various other OL
McBride
Bush (yes, Reggie was a bust at #2 overall)
Meachem (1st rd pick that wasn't 1st rd talent)
...not to mention the absolute bombs he picked/acquired before Payton's arrival.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 11:27 am
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Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:20 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
Now frick off.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 11:21 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:21 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
He is not a scout. He is the money guy. He doesn't find talent. He fits their salaries under the cap. If you want to blame someone for "bombs" then blame the coaches.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:22 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
shite is about to get real
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:22 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
Who in the blue hell are you?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:22 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
quote:
A. Franklin (1st rd pick)
No.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:22 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
Because every pick always works out in every other organization, right? Sheesh.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:22 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
quote:
I don't have any faith in him to get this defense back on track talent-wise, and keep pace with San Fran or Seattle for tops in the NFC.
Why in the hell do we need a top defense when we can score 45+ a game with our offense? Just a mediocre defense would keep us in most games.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:23 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
You are literally too stupid to insult.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:26 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
Take this bashing of winning figures back to the rant
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:26 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
Tiger
Pimp
Nation
Trank
Not clever.
Not original
Not prescient
Not provocative
Just boringLSU
Pimp
Nation
Trank
Not clever.
Not original
Not prescient
Not provocative
Just boringLSU
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:30 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
quote:
I just don't see the "love" for Loomis. I think he sucks.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 12:06 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
Maybe if you lay off the you'll grasp the basic fact that LOOMIS DOESN'T DRAFT THE TALENT, DUMBASS.
you'll grasp the basic fact that LOOMIS DOESN'T DRAFT THE TALENT, DUMBASS.Posted on 3/13/13 at 12:08 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
quote:
I just don't see the "love" for Loomis. I think he sucks.
Sure, he has found some diamonds in the rough like Graham, PT, Moore, Gallette, Hicks and some guys who have been serviceable: Dave Thomas, Grubbs, Robinson, Casillas, Mack
If you are giving credit to Loomis for scouting players (which is flawed logic), don't forget Carl Nicks, Drew Brees (FA), Colston, etc etc etc. You only mention serviceable players, not the absolute boons for this team's success over 6 years.
quote:
But for any one of those guys, I can give you just as many that he has absolutely bombed on, with special attention to the busts in the first few rounds.
(starting in 2002)Donte Stallworth/Charles Grant, Jon Sullivan, Will Smith, Jammal Brown, R. Bush, R. Meachem, S. Ellis, M. Jenkins, P. Robinson, Cam Jordan, Mark Ingram. Of those, the only ones I would consider 'bust' status is Sedrick Ellis. The others had some positive impact at some point for the Saints, or another team.
quote:
...not to mention the absolute bombs he picked/acquired before Payton's arrival.
So you are referring to the Haslett era? He was the defensive mind of this team, as well as the head coach. You do realize that most of his 1st round decisions were defensive players that did not pan out, how is that Loomis's fault? He manages the business aspect of the team, not talent evaluation. He's done well at keeping players around that we want, and sending the floaters down stream (in my opinion). The only consistent thing that can be said about our defense since Jim Mora, has been its inconstancy.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 12:31 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
Some gms are just numbers guys, so are just scouting guys, and some are both. Loomis is purely a numbers guy. He has never been a talent evaluator.
If you want to put blame on who we draft and pick up in FA, look to our scouting dept and coaches. They tell Loomis who they want and he makes the numbers work.
I believe what you are trying to say is our scouts and coaches do poorly at evaluating defenses talent.
Edit:
And yeah his title may say all that, but Payton is the one picking most of these guys. Maybe you can put a little blame on him for the scouts, but if Payton wants to keep them do you think Loomis should piss him off by firing them anyway?
They have a great relationship and it would be even worse to wreck it than just having a substandard defense imo.
If you want to put blame on who we draft and pick up in FA, look to our scouting dept and coaches. They tell Loomis who they want and he makes the numbers work.
I believe what you are trying to say is our scouts and coaches do poorly at evaluating defenses talent.
Edit:
And yeah his title may say all that, but Payton is the one picking most of these guys. Maybe you can put a little blame on him for the scouts, but if Payton wants to keep them do you think Loomis should piss him off by firing them anyway?
They have a great relationship and it would be even worse to wreck it than just having a substandard defense imo.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 2:54 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
1. Sean Payton
2. Drew Brees
3. SB Championship
Go frick yourself
2. Drew Brees
3. SB Championship
Go frick yourself
Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:37 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
I will grant you that if the Saints weren't better than average at finding late round gems and UDFA's, then the early round misses would stand out much more. That being said, your claims are arbitrary and unfounded. You can't just come here and say the number of misses you see are unacceptable, you have to compare them to other teams drafting in similar positions. How do they stack up to the more successful playoff teams of the last 5 years like the Pats, Packers, Steelers, and Giants?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:07 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
Don't you and your tool bag, arse hat friends of some dress up to do you attention seeking douchebag
Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:30 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
quote:
TigerPimpNationTrank
someone should bitch slap this dude
Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:46 pm to TigerPimpNationTrank
He's definitely overrated but I wouldn't say he sucks.
Been living off that 2006 draft for a while though.
Been living off that 2006 draft for a while though.
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