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GM Jocketty to overrule Baker: Aroldis Chapman to be in the rotation (Reds)
Posted on 3/12/13 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 3/12/13 at 9:32 pm
Apparently there's some issues in the Reds bullpen over whether Chapman should be moved from closer and into the rotation. I tend to side with Jocketty.
Thoughts? Does this cause issues going forward for the Reds?
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Thoughts? Does this cause issues going forward for the Reds?
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Posted on 3/12/13 at 9:34 pm to BluegrassBelle
Dusty Baker needs to shut up and leave him in the rotation, he could be a beast and they don't want to give it a try. He was a starter his whole career in Cuba.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 10:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
Another year, another arguing with Dusty about every decision he makes. Let's just pray we win.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 10:06 pm to BluegrassBelle
RIP Chapmans arm
Posted on 3/12/13 at 10:08 pm to BluegrassBelle
I give him one more season before he has a big arm issue. And once he loses that velocity he's in trouble. The guy can chunk it but he doesn't pitch, he just throws it
Posted on 3/12/13 at 11:11 pm to Tiger1242
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The guy can chunk it but he doesn't pitch, he just throws it
Say what? Please describe to me how he doesn't pitch? Have you watched him pitch? Dusty and Jocketty always argue over personnel. Although, in this case, I don't see why the Reds are so hell bent on making him a starter. I'd rather have him closing.
Posted on 3/12/13 at 11:46 pm to Bho
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Although, in this case, I don't see why the Reds are so hell bent on making him a starter. I'd rather have him closing.
Because there is more value in getting 200 innings out of him than 70. Even if its a decrease in statistical production
Posted on 3/13/13 at 12:00 am to MrWiseGuy
Cuban League Stats as Starter:
Year G GS IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA PBRA
2006 15 15 54.0 48 33 26 5 54 56 3 5 0 8.0 0.8 9.0 9.3 4.52 5.19
2007 23 12 81.1 59 26 25 4 50 100 4 3 7 6.5 0.4 5.5 11.1 2.90 3.79
2008 16 16 74.0 55 36 32 3 37 79 6 7 0 6.7 0.4 4.5 9.6 3.49 3.05
2009 22 20 118.1 109 56 53 7 62 130 11 4 0 8.3 0.5 4.7 9.9 3.19 3.17
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Minors 66 63 327.2 271 151 136 19 203 365 24 19 7 7.4 0.5 5.6 10.0 3.74 3.81
Alowing for that level of play, here is what those stats translate to as far as a US major league line:
Year G GS IP H ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 NERA PBRA
2006 15 15 47.1 54 53 19 64 45 1 4 0 10.3 3.6 12.2 8.6 8.75 11.31
2007 23 12 69.2 76 63 24 61 88 2 6 6 9.8 3.1 7.9 11.4 5.68 7.75
2008 16 16 70.1 64 43 14 45 65 3 5 0 8.2 1.8 5.8 8.3 6.78 6.20
2009 22 20 107.1 115 80 25 73 105 4 8 0 9.6 2.1 6.1 8.8 6.29 6.46
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Minors 76 63 294.2 309 239 82 243 303 10 23 6 9.4 2.5 7.4 9.3 6.66 7.60
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Year G GS IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA PBRA
2006 15 15 54.0 48 33 26 5 54 56 3 5 0 8.0 0.8 9.0 9.3 4.52 5.19
2007 23 12 81.1 59 26 25 4 50 100 4 3 7 6.5 0.4 5.5 11.1 2.90 3.79
2008 16 16 74.0 55 36 32 3 37 79 6 7 0 6.7 0.4 4.5 9.6 3.49 3.05
2009 22 20 118.1 109 56 53 7 62 130 11 4 0 8.3 0.5 4.7 9.9 3.19 3.17
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Minors 66 63 327.2 271 151 136 19 203 365 24 19 7 7.4 0.5 5.6 10.0 3.74 3.81
Alowing for that level of play, here is what those stats translate to as far as a US major league line:
Year G GS IP H ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 NERA PBRA
2006 15 15 47.1 54 53 19 64 45 1 4 0 10.3 3.6 12.2 8.6 8.75 11.31
2007 23 12 69.2 76 63 24 61 88 2 6 6 9.8 3.1 7.9 11.4 5.68 7.75
2008 16 16 70.1 64 43 14 45 65 3 5 0 8.2 1.8 5.8 8.3 6.78 6.20
2009 22 20 107.1 115 80 25 73 105 4 8 0 9.6 2.1 6.1 8.8 6.29 6.46
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Minors 76 63 294.2 309 239 82 243 303 10 23 6 9.4 2.5 7.4 9.3 6.66 7.60
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This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 12:04 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 6:25 am to MrWiseGuy
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Because there is more value in getting 200 innings out of him than 70. Even if its a decrease in statistical production
I would argue that having a shut down closer is much more important than one good starter.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:12 am to Bho
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I would argue that having a shut down closer is much more important than one good starter.
It isn't. Closers pitch less innings and usually come in to start the 9th (bases empty), often only in save situations. Closer is the most overrated role in baseball.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:17 am to Bho
quote:
I would argue that having a shut down closer is much more important than one good starter.
I'd argue 200 innings is more than 70 innings
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:22 am to memphstigers23
quote:What's alarming about this is that his IP numbers are nowhere near the burden being carried by many MLB starters--200 IP in one season.
Cuban League Stats as Starter:
Year G GS IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 ERA PBRA
2006 15 15 54.0 48 33 26 5 54 56 3 5 0 8.0 0.8 9.0 9.3 4.52 5.19
2007 23 12 81.1 59 26 25 4 50 100 4 3 7 6.5 0.4 5.5 11.1 2.90 3.79
2008 16 16 74.0 55 36 32 3 37 79 6 7 0 6.7 0.4 4.5 9.6 3.49 3.05
2009 22 20 118.1 109 56 53 7 62 130 11 4 0 8.3 0.5 4.7 9.9 3.19 3.17
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Minors 66 63 327.2 271 151 136 19 203 365 24 19 7 7.4 0.5 5.6 10.0 3.74 3.81
Alowing for that level of play, here is what those stats translate to as far as a US major league line:
Year G GS IP H ER HR BB K W L SV H/9 HR/9 BB/9 K/9 NERA PBRA
2006 15 15 47.1 54 53 19 64 45 1 4 0 10.3 3.6 12.2 8.6 8.75 11.31
2007 23 12 69.2 76 63 24 61 88 2 6 6 9.8 3.1 7.9 11.4 5.68 7.75
2008 16 16 70.1 64 43 14 45 65 3 5 0 8.2 1.8 5.8 8.3 6.78 6.20
2009 22 20 107.1 115 80 25 73 105 4 8 0 9.6 2.1 6.1 8.8 6.29 6.46
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Minors 76 63 294.2 309 239 82 243 303 10 23 6 9.4 2.5 7.4 9.3 6.66 7.60
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:37 am to BluegrassBelle
Im with Jocketty. Dusty is just mad because he cant bat the shortstop in the 2 hole.
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Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:11 am to BluegrassBelle
Did Jocketty not see what Baker did to Wood and Prior in Chicago? RIP Chapman.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:31 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Wood and Prior were the Cubs top two pitchers. The Reds have a deeper rotation and deep bullpen. I dont see an issue.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:45 am to madcap
Dusty destroys arms so much that not one of the reds 5 starting pitchers missed a start last year. Not one.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:50 am to Tiger1242
quote:
The guy can chunk it but he doesn't pitch, he just throws it
Well we know at least poster in this thread has never seen chapman pitch
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:53 am to reddman
reddman, you think Latos moves up to ace status this season?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:57 am to Bho
quote:I could be wrong, but you may be the only person to ever make that argument.
I would argue that having a shut down closer is much more important than one good starter
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:57 am to bg22
quote:Like that Verlander guy's arm.
RIP Chapmans arm
Whatever happened to that hard throwing SP?
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