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re: who will the Saint REALLY draft this year?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:28 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:28 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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you could move Wilson to one of the ILB spots
I agree. Being that you can pretty much plug Wilson in any of the 4 LB spots, I still think there is a good chance we still might go OLB in the 1st. How many players go from a ILB, to DE, to OLB? Speaks a lot about the type of player he is, and can be.
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:32 am to Midget Death Squad
It depends on several things that happen before April 25th:
1) What needs can be met through FA.
2) Whether or not we resign Bushrod.
3) Whether or not we resign Galette.
4) Whether or not we get a draft pick for Ivory.
And even once all this is resolved, there is still a matter of whether or not the Saints can get the player they absolutely want at #15. If not, they could trade down or go best player available.
As others have noted, it's fun to pass the time talking it out, but it's just way, way to early to have even an educated guess at this point.
1) What needs can be met through FA.
2) Whether or not we resign Bushrod.
3) Whether or not we resign Galette.
4) Whether or not we get a draft pick for Ivory.
And even once all this is resolved, there is still a matter of whether or not the Saints can get the player they absolutely want at #15. If not, they could trade down or go best player available.
As others have noted, it's fun to pass the time talking it out, but it's just way, way to early to have even an educated guess at this point.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:40 am to Midget Death Squad
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One thing about the Paeyton era is that we have not seen them draft what we or the mocks had projected them to do most years.
I think everyone knew we would take Bush, Ellis or another DT, Malcom Jenkins and Cam Jordan or another DE.
I don't think anyone saw Meachem or PRob.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:40 am to Midget Death Squad
I think we grab a corner at 15. We can add pass rushers in free agency
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:43 am to LSUZombie
Like who and with what money?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:14 am to LSUZombie
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We can add pass rushers in free agency
There are no pass rushers in FA. That's the problem. That's why we need to get one in the draft this year.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:05 pm to Bduhon55
quote:You fricking with me?
Mingo has the skills but does he have the size and speed to play OLB with first round quality
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:08 pm to Midget Death Squad
The pick will rely on if we can get Bushrod for a discount. If not I think LT is the pick. An every down player,can be paid rookie salary which frees up more money on free agency. IMO an OLB will not come in right away and be a starter. Other positions that could come in and start are CB, WR, and Ogletree at ILB.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:28 pm to Bduhon55
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Mingo has the skills but does he have the size and speed to play OLB with first round quality
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:31 pm to MISSIPSAINT
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If not I think LT is the pick.
Who? top 3 OTs could be gone by 15.
This is another reason I think they're pushing to make sure they have room for Bushrod to resign.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:36 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Yeah.
I think there is no way CSP would trust the season on a rookie LT.
Lets hope bushy don't want to rain too hard.
I think there is no way CSP would trust the season on a rookie LT.
Lets hope bushy don't want to rain too hard.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:37 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
KC will not take LT because of the tag on Albert!
Philly is up in the air with OLB or LT. So getting the 3rd rank tackle is highly possible. If not then I would go S Vaccaro or CB Rhodes.
Philly is up in the air with OLB or LT. So getting the 3rd rank tackle is highly possible. If not then I would go S Vaccaro or CB Rhodes.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:46 pm to MISSIPSAINT
Or Jones if Saints Dr clear would be huge! I just think 1 of the teams medical staff will clear him, so I dont look for him or Jorden to be there.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:47 pm to MISSIPSAINT
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If not then I would go S Vaccaro
With the 15th overall pick? No way dude.
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KC will not take LT because of the tag on Albert!
The tag is only for a year brochacho. How do you know they wont take Joeckel, use them both and then after next year let Joeckel be the future.
I'd be alright with Rhodes but I dont think theres any way he makes it past Tampa at 13
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:56 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
They tagged Albert, but I think they try to trade him. If they can't, they'll play him at a guard or RT then move him to LT next year.
ETA: Even if KC passes on him, it's still likely that Jockel, Fisher and Johnson will be gone.
ETA: Even if KC passes on him, it's still likely that Jockel, Fisher and Johnson will be gone.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/5/13 at 1:14 pm to Midget Death Squad
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we have not seen them draft what we or the mocks had projected them to do most years.
Disagree.
Bush everyone knew it was him or Mario.
Meachem was a surprise cuz they did go need over BPA. He was a stretch pick. Anticipated Greg Olsen or Pozluzsny (who would have been better)
Ellis only slight surprise. I thought Jerod Mayo at #10. It was clear what they were going for when trading up
'09 was sure it would be Jenkins or Cushing
PRob was another stretch pick as a surrpise. I was pulling for Daryl Washington LB or Nate Allen S. Wish we had them today too.
Jordan i had mocked to NOLA in January
There's no real mockingor guessing 3rd rders. Was pretty proud of having Hicks in my final mock although 5th Rd
So for me I count 2 out of 7 as surprise picks. Also the higher you pick the more you can hone down the list. At #10 in 2008 the list is down to 4-5 anticipated names. At #32 in '10 you're starting to guess out of 10-15 possibilities.
I think it is more often just the result of how their big board stands when the pick comes around. Like out of Mingo, Dion Jordan, Jarvis Jones, and Ansah I bet you could find them in every conceivable order on teams big boards. They also could be quite varied. One team might have Mingo at the top with a Top 5 grade. Another team might have him behind all the others scored as a Top 25 player.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 1:59 pm to blueslover
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Meachem was a surprise cuz they did go need over BPA. He was a stretch pick
I remember this differently. You're right that Olsen and Poz were the two that were most projected to go to the Saints, but Meach was a BPA pick. He was expected to go higher, and he was considered a fall that year. Also we had just hit big on Colston, and WR wasn't considered a need at that time.
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Ellis only slight surprise
He was a surprise, because all the talk was trade up for Dorsey or stay put and take Mayo. When the trade happened, at that moment it was obvious; however, leading up to the draft it was not.
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Jordan i had mocked to NOLA in January
You may have, but the national media were focussed on Ingram (which actually wound up happening) and other players (which I don't recall). Jordan was expected to be gone by that point. He wasn't, and he was taken. But this is less of a "surprise" in that it was at a position of need.
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So for me I count 2 out of 7 as surprise picks
I still count 2 as accurate. There are 2 more that weren't surprises as in "out of left field," but they still weren't what the pundits in were saying.
It relates to this year in that all everyone is projecting to us is OLB, and it seems that whenever the "obvious" pick is projected to us, more often then not the Saints pull a "surprise" and pick something else. There are soooo many needs on this team that focusing on just OLB seems extrememly short sighted to me, but that seems to be the case. Funny thing is that every year LB is touted as a need position for us, yet they have never taken a 1st round LB under Paeyton.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 2:11 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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If not then I would go S Vaccaro
With the 15th overall pick?
That would be terrible considering who all wouldve been available
Posted on 3/5/13 at 2:11 pm to Midget Death Squad
Even though blues basically stole my post, I agree with him.
We all knew Bush and Jenkings.
We knew it was going to be Dorsey, Ellis or Mayo.
We had just cut Grant, so we knew we were going DE and likely to get Jordan unless Watts or someone else fell to us. Ingram was talked about, but most didn't expect it over a need at DE.
Meachem was a surprise. I wanted Olsen.
PRob was a surprise because we had just won the Superbowl and were truly going BPA and nobody had him there.
This year, it will be either OLB, S, NT or OT (Bushrod's situation will let us know more before the draft.) I don't see a surprise unless we trade.
We all knew Bush and Jenkings.
We knew it was going to be Dorsey, Ellis or Mayo.
We had just cut Grant, so we knew we were going DE and likely to get Jordan unless Watts or someone else fell to us. Ingram was talked about, but most didn't expect it over a need at DE.
Meachem was a surprise. I wanted Olsen.
PRob was a surprise because we had just won the Superbowl and were truly going BPA and nobody had him there.
This year, it will be either OLB, S, NT or OT (Bushrod's situation will let us know more before the draft.) I don't see a surprise unless we trade.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 2:24 pm to Suntiger
I still think CB/WR is in play if they view one as BPA.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 2:25 pm
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