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Says the guy comparing Stringer and Collins as freshmen


And yet you have nothing to support your stance. You claim that Collins is a terrible shooter (as a Freshman). As a Freshman, Stringer was significantly worse. You say that Collins plays out of control. As a Freshman, Stringer was out of control.

You cannot refute either of those points, because they are true and factual.

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And yet you have nothing to support your stance. You claim that Collins is a terrible shooter (as a Freshman).

Read much? I ALREADY posted...

3 for 12 in SEC play, 0 for 4 3 pt. That's awful, it's a small sample size, but that's still awful. It's not like he was like stringer taking long distance shots all the time, he had a lot of drives and his 3 point misses were almost all wide open shots at the line which he airmailed 2 of those.


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You claim that Collins is a terrible shooter (as a Freshman). As a Freshman, Stringer was significantly worse.


They played SIGNIFICANTLY different minutes and roles. Collins is so bad he hasn't even been playing in some SEC games and in other comes in for a minute or two. As posted above, he hasn't hit much of anything in SEC play. 0 3 pointers, 3 for 9 from inside the arc.

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You say that Collins plays out of control.


As a ball handler, which is WAY worse for a PG than...


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As a Freshman, Stringer was out of control.



As a SHOOTER with shot selection, which at least he didn't take a ton of shots. He just took poor ones.

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You cannot refute either of those points



Just did, it was that easy.


Once again, comparing the 2 is absolutely completely stupid to begin with though. A starter who played 30 minutes a game vs. a guy who cant even get on the court in SEC games.

One guy was asked to a do a lot his freshman year, the other is asked to simply dribble the ball down the court a few moments in each game and not turn the ball over which he does pretty miserably.



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CourseyCorridor
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LSU's backcourt talent is significantly better than it was Stringer's freshman year. It was either Stringer or Bass during Stringer's freshman year and that shyte was hard to watch. Stringer played like the only thing his left hand was good for was as the guide hand on his jump shot.

C-Bass was C-Bass. Love the kid but he was more limited than any of them, including Collins.

Look, if Quarterman shows up and he looks really good on the wing, I don't think Collins has been so bad that you just write him off as a possible BACKUP at the point next year. If you're going to do that, you might as well give the kid a map to a Southern Conference or MEAC school and tell him "good luck."

And I don't think he's that bad.

Again, I would expect Quarterman to start next season at least as a combo guard and he'll probably backup the 1. But if somebody sees him as a two, that's far from crazy talk. The kid's instincts are to score the ball (which makes him different from Temple as far as big PGs go) and he is the kind of long player who you can curl off a down screen and he'll rise up and hit that little mid-range jumper before a wing can recover or over a big closing on him (he's long enough to rise over a helping big).

If you get him in your off-season and he's just killing that stuff -- and he looks capable of that -- I can easily see CJJ and them deciding he's better as a wing, especially if Collins steps it up in the off-season. Remember, you can still use Andre there too.

EDIT: I've thought about this for a minute and looking back, if Corban Collins, as a freshman, was on LSU's team in 2010-11, I'm fairly confident he would have played significant minutes at the 1 and Stringer would have played more at the two, if not exclusively.

No Stringer didn't turn the ball over much, but that's mainly because when he'd get in trouble, he'd just launch a contested 29 footer which, really, is just as bad as a turnover.





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CourseyCorridor
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You have a hard time connecting things.

Only things that don't make sense...



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Again, I would expect Quarterman to start next season at least as a combo guard


I dont think so. He'll be the backup PG to Hickey, which is what he is being brought in to be. He'll play other positions, but sparingly because the other positions are loaded up pretty well with players of their own while there is a huge gaping hole behind Hickey at PG. We know Collins cant provide there, we know Stringer isn't comfortable running the point...that leaves Quarterman behind Hickey.

At SG you have Morgan/Stringer
At SF you have Martin/Mickey/Coleman

At PG you have Hickey and then...Collins? Yeah, pretty clear yo see where his minutes are coming next season.


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EDIT: I've thought about this for a minute and looking back, if Corban Collins, as a freshman, was on LSU's team in 2010-11, I'm fairly confident he would have played significant minutes at the 1 and Stringer would have played more at the two, if not exclusively.



Bass would start over Collins, no doubt in my mind.






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Only things that don't make sense...



Made perfect sense to others.






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CourseyCorridor
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Made perfect sense to others.


So be clear. Is it a "double-face-palm fail" to think that Quarterman might be a two next year, or is it not?







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So be clear. Is it a "double-face-palm fail" to think that Quarterman might be a two next year, or is it not?



That's not what they said, do I need to quote them again for you? You were "defending" them saying they merely said he could play the 2/wing and "they understand he can play the 1". Meanwhile I quoted what they actually said and they were saying things such as "he's not a fricking PG." You have a funny interpretation.



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So be clear. Is it a "double-face-palm fail" to think that Quarterman might be a two next year, or is it not?


Thinking he might be isn't, but assuming he will be and will not be playing the position he was signed for is a "double-face-palm fail".






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CourseyCorridor
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Here's what you were replying to:
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Quarterman will play 2 guard, no doubt about it. He's a scorer not a freaking point guard. Dudes 6't5 or 6'6 he ain't playing the point!

(reply) i say the same thing when i look at his highlights.


Two different posters, both opining that he should play the 2 guard. Not as a combo guard, but as a two guard.

To this, you posted a snarky meme.

As somebody said earlier, when you talk about a failure to follow an argument, pot, meet kettle.

EDIT TO ADD: If Tigerfan2211 and fjohns1, the two posters you replied to, agreed with you somewhere on this thread, please show me. I missed it.



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Two different posters, both opining that he should play the 2 guard. Not as a combo guard, but as a two guard.

To this, you posted a snarky meme.

As somebody said earlier, when you talk about a failure to follow an argument, pot, meet kettle.


Do you just enjoy bouncing all over the place? Here, let give you the run down of more of your uselessness bickering...


YOU SAID after I posted the double face palm meant for both posters who said NO WAY he plays PG and that he isn't a PG...

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The posters understand he's being recruited to help at the 1



To which I replied did you even read what they said. And then posted...

Oauron - original statement to a guy who had him playing the 2
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Quartermann was recruited to be a PG


Ryan3232
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incorrect.

Quarterman is 6'5. Go ahead and count him the backup wing it doesnt matter.


Tigerfan2211 - Later on in thread
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Quarterman will play 2 guard, no doubt about it. He's a scorer not a freaking point guard.


^ quoting this...
fjohns1
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i say the same thing when i look at his highlights.







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CourseyCorridor
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Thinking he might be isn't, but assuming he will be and will not be playing the position he was signed for is a "double-face-palm fail".


I'll buy this. But maybe their argument is "I've watched this guy and no way he stays at the 1. He's got to be used at the two."

To be honest, that was my initial reaction when they got the commitment because about a year ago, it seemed the kid was listed as a 2. But CJJ and them have convinced me that he can be a 1.

But, I'm always a little skeptical of 2s that become 1s. It's hard to shake off that scorer's mindset. I'll trust they have evaluated him well. CJJ was a good evaluator at North Texas and he seems to be making good calls with the current roster as well.









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CourseyCorridor
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Gee whiz you're dense.

My reply was to your post with the Star Trek meme. That post was in reply to the two posters I mentioned, NOBODY ELSE.

I don't give a frick about the other posters. Those were the two I was talking about because those were the two you were addressing with your meme.

Why would I apply your meme to other posters when you addressed it specifically to those two?

Geesh, you make no sense whatsoever.









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My reply was to your post with the Star Trek meme. That post was in reply to the two posters I mentioned, NOBODY ELSE.



And one guy said "he's not a freaking PG" and the other said "I agree". So tell me, in all your infinite wisdom, how in the hell is that saying "they understand he's being recruited to help the 1"? Because saying "he's not a freaking PG" and agreeing with that certainly doesn't sound like it.






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CourseyCorridor
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So tell me, in all your infinite wisdom, how in the hell is that saying "they understand he's being recruited to help the 1"?


Where did I say that about those posters?

I understand they recruited him to play the one. But like I've explained time and again, and you fail to understand, I can UNDERSTAND those who are skeptical that Quarterman at the 1 will work out. It's legitimate to think he should be treated as primarily a shooting guard.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but I don't think it's a fail either. The kid, at best, is seen as a combo type.

It's like when Russell Shepard was recruited by LSU as a QB and somebody says "no way he ever plays QB for LSU." Well, he didn't, did he? LSU tried it and it didn't work out and he wound up playing just about every skill position BUT QB.

They are simply making the same argument about Quarterman. I appreciate that argument. Don't know if I agree with it, but I appreciate it.

You, on the other hand, can't seem to comprehend it.

By the way, I'm not saying Quarterman's destined to be to PG what Shepard was to QB. Please don't go down that path.




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I give up, you're worthless to try and get anything across to. Dont bother posting anymore in response to me, I'm not reading anything.





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CourseyCorridor
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I'm not reading anything.


This much was already abundantly clear.






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CourseyCorridor
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Bass would start over Collins, no doubt in my mind.


You must be the type to get frustrated with players in real time than later, you gain a fondness in retrospect. Because how you can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

In non-conference play, Collins was better than Bass ever was. I just think he's one of those freshmen who is struggling in how to function in a more limited role than what he's used to. In non-conference, he was allowed to play more and showed flashes. In conferences, he's being limited to spot minutes behind Hickey and he looks out of sorts trying to figure out exactly what he can and can't do. That's not unusual for freshmen being asked to take limited roles after a lifetime of being "the man" on their teams.

And that's no criticism of the way he's used either. Collins needs to adjust to his role, his role doesn't need to be adjusted.








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Aside from random posters guessing that Quartermann will play 2 because he's tall doesn't make it true. Just sounds like randoms not believing a tall guy could play 1. I like his versatility but he was recruited as a PG.





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Tiger Authority
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Big difference between Stringer and Collins is that Stringer was thrown in the fold and expected to immediately contribute. Naturally, his numbers suffered. You think Collins would be killing it if he played 30 minutes a game? It's like a pro player that logs 10 minutes at max effort and pulls down 7 boards a game and people automatically assume that number would be double that if he played all game. It doesn't work that way.





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