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and that is a huge mess currently and needs to be completely revised for today's world, but i digress


I not disagreeing with this. In fact, I am saying the government needs to reassess its role in innovation.

Wait, lets use a practical example. How did we get to the moon? Was that worth it? Was that project not funded by the government?



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MrCarton
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Yes you do.










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NC_Tigah
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I'm a big fan since I'm a scientist

The US putting money into science is definitely a main reason why we are the leaders in so many fields






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MrCarton
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Wait, lets use a practical example. How did we get to the moon? Was that worth it? Was that project not funded by the government?



Golden Spike

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This isn't the first private moon-bound venture. The Google Lunar X Prizeis offering $30 million to any nongovernment entity that can land a robot on the moon that travels at least 1,650 feet (500 meters) and sends data and images back to Earth. Stern himself is involved with one team called Moon Express vying for the prize. However, no serious company has aimed to send people to the moon. Each Golden Spike moon expedition will involve four separate launches: two launches to get the lunar lander into orbit, and two more launches to transport crew and cargo. Golden Spike's leaders hope to fly regular missions throughout the 2020s. The venture doesn't have a long list of wealthy backers. "We don't need it. We're going to make our business run on sales," Stern said. The project does have the support of an advisory board made up of scientists, aerospace company leaders, movie producers, and dignitaries. One member is Homer Hickam, author of the book "Rocket Boys," the inspiration for the film "October Sky." "A reliable pathway to the Moon — 'Earth's eighth continent' will open our nearest neighbor in space to extensive new exploration, and also open it to the imagination of people everywhere," Hickam said in a statement. The team chose today to make the announcement because it's the eve of the 40th anniversary of the last launch to the moon, Apollo 17, which lifted off Dec. 7, 1972. "We looked for a meaningful date, and we picked today," Stern said. "There's a little bit of poetry with this."


Cool article, I hope these guys pull it off. This isn't really a rebuttal to your post, as they are likely going to rely heavily on formerly government funded tech. Hopefully they transition to newer better tech as the the business "takes off"






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onmymedicalgrind
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We wouldn't have made many, many of the discoveries we've made in the past without government funding. Its partly whats made America leaders in innovation.





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Powerman
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We wouldn't have made many, many of the discoveries we've made in the past without government funding. Its partly whats made America leaders in innovation.


Right.

But we should cancel all government research anyway to support someone's political talking points.






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Zach
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So you've never started a thread about something that you heard on Rush?

Do you know what the term 'generalization' means?
Do you know what the term 'absolute' means?
I have probably started a thread about what I heard on Rush once every 4 months.
I have seen threads started by other posters on here started by Rush every day. I respond to some of them.
Perhaps you think we all look alike.

I start my threads from print media. I'm old school. And halfway through Rush I'm taking a nap so I have no idea what he's saying.






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Powerman
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And halfway through Rush I'm taking a nap so I have no idea what he's saying.


Except for the time we had that Sandusky thread where you not only knew what he was saying but claimed to know what he was thinking and then made a huge arse out of yourself and then lied about it after the fact.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Harvard was getting a whopping 6% from fed funds in 2010... what would we do without it?


Harvard is also the richest university in the US with over 30+ bill endowment. Not a really supporting your argument much.

Other schools out there need the money, though.






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Zach
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I was right. Rush was talking about the G word. Try to keep up.





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onmymedicalgrind
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Viagra is a good example. It was serendipity


Not really. Viagra was intended to be a drug used against hypertension (big money maker) and it was discovered it had better uses treating ED (another big money maker). The motive was always money. The problem is, when money isn't the motive, the research won't get done in the private industry. Thats just a fact.






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Zach
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Viagra was intended to be a drug used against hypertension

Uh, thanks for proving my point. That is what 'serendipity' means.






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MrCarton
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Harvard is also the richest university in the US with over 30+ bill endowment. Not a really supporting your argument much.

Other schools out there need the money, though.


Glad to see you made it!

30+ billion to do with as they please? Sounds like that might support my position.






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MrCarton
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The problem is, when money isn't the motive, the research won't get done in the private industry. Thats just a fact.


When money is the issue, maximum exploitation is the key. That is what I appreciate about the private market.






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He is saying Harvard is the exception... not the rule.





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onmymedicalgrind
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Uh, thanks for proving my point. That is what 'serendipity' means.


No, you made it seem as if they were just fishing around, hoping to find something and BAM! Viagra. No, just like all private research, Viagra was just all about bottom line profits.






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MrCarton
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He is saying Harvard is the exception... not the rule.


I got that part.

Reported school endowments

120+ billion? VORs link mentioned 300 mil needed for genome research. Why would a university contribute money to research when the general populace can assume the risk?



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molsusports
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They have a major role in helping push discovery and innovation.



basic research especially is a great role for government to fill






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onmymedicalgrind
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When money is the issue, maximum exploitation is the key. That is what I appreciate about the private market.


True, but let me give you an example: The Pharmaceutical industry, has one goal: Profits. What is the best way to turn a profit in this industry? Create a pill to TREAT a disorder. Preferably a lifetime pill like some of the statins.

The problem with that is, what incentive is there to ever cure diseases? Their goes their consumer base.

Thats why much research involved in trying to elucidate pathways, find gene targets, etc to actually CURE diseases is publicly funded.






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Zach
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No, you made it seem as if they were just fishing around, hoping to find something and BAM! Viagra. No, just like all private research, Viagra was just all about bottom line profits.


Searching for something and finding something else is serendipity. Sorry that you don't understand this. I got in 5th grade science class.






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