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Tiguar
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


Looks like we need an assassin's creed game to stop JWB and prevent that assassination.

Someone start a thread bitching about me pirating it.






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NC_Tigah
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


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Name another Civil War where the victors allowed the defeated to honor their heroes
The English Civil War






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LSURussian
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Hanoi is not now Ho Chi Minh city

Hanoi has never been known as Ho Chi Minh City. It is now and has always been known as Hanoi.






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CarrolltonTiger
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Hanoi has never been known as Ho Chi Minh City. It is now and has always been known as Hanoi.







Excuse me, Saigon, good to see you can find more than spelling errors. Keep up the good work.






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CarrolltonTiger
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The English Civil War


Regicide, confiscation of estates, religious persecution, yeah, that was civil. I suspect Charles I would trade fates with Jeff Davis.






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LSURussian
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


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Hanoi is not now Ho Chi Minh city


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Excuse me, Saigon


That doesn't make any sense either if you meant Saigon instead of Hanoi.

Saigon IS now Ho Chi Minh City.

WTF did you mean?







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windhammontanatigers
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


Truly agree with this. Andrew Johnson although from Tenn seemed to actually hate the south. Although many southernesrs have disliked Lincoln for years there is little doubt that the South would have been much better off during Reconstruction if JWB had not assassinated Mr. Lincoln.





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I B Freeman
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If you haven't watched Birth of a Nation you should. It is historical significant not only for it's portrayal of the South during reconstruction but also because it was one of if not the first feature length film. It was released in 1915 and one would think the depiction of the South and reconstruction was pretty accurate given so many people who lived through the war and reconstruction were alive and in the audience. (Some people will argue that reconstruction was not even over in 1915.)

LINK

You can watch for free at HULU I think.






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windhammontanatigers
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Thanks for the link, will definitely give it a watch.





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CarrolltonTiger
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seemed to actually hate the south.


I thought he was impeached because he wasn't tough enough on the South for the Radical Republicans, and vetoed much of their program?






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roygu
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


Wasn't there a Senator from Massachusetts that got into a fight on the Senate floor, prior to the Civil War, with a Senator from South Carolina. The South Carolina Senator beat him so badly with his cane that it left him crippled. After the war he was especially vindictive toward the South and tried to punish them every way possible.

"In 1856, a South Carolina Congressman, Preston Brooks, nearly killed Sumner on the Senate floor two days after Sumner delivered an intensely anti-slavery speech called "The Crime against Kansas". In the speech, Sumner characterized the attacker's cousin, South Carolina Senator Andrew Butler, as a pimp for slavery.[1] The episode played a major role in the coming of the Civil War. During the war Sumner was a leader of the Radical Republican faction that criticized President Abraham Lincoln for being too moderate on the South. One of the most learned statesmen of the era, he specialized in foreign affairs, and worked closely with Abraham Lincoln to keep the British and the French from intervening on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Sumner's expertise and energy made him a powerful chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

"As the chief Radical leader in the Senate during Reconstruction, 1865–1871, Sumner fought hard to provide equal civil and voting rights for the freedmen on the grounds that "consent of the governed" was a basic principle of American republicanism, and to block ex-Confederates from power so they would not reverse the North's victory in the Civil War. Sumner, teaming with House leader Thaddeus Stevens, battled Andrew Johnson's reconstruction plans and sought to impose a Radical program on the South"

My memory was a little off but it was close. ;)
If Lincoln had lived, he would have been a stronger leader than Johnson, so healing would probably have been quicker.






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LSUgusto
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I remember my dad walking me through the French Quarter and telling me, "One day, America might realize there's a statue of Andrew Jackson in Jackson Square."





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S.E.C. Crazy
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achievement that should be celebrated.

Name another Civil War where the victors allowed the defeated to honor their heroes, create monuments, holidays, name towns after them, where the winners restored the civil rights to the defeated put them on their courts and enter Congress, named federal property after them.

I can't think of any conflict that remotely resembles this restoration of privileges and fraternity, particularly when you consider the carnage and loss involved.

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You really want to praise people who fought an unjust war so they could seize raw goods at a cheap price ?

No states gave their rights away.

The Yanks were thieves and murderers.

This coming from a guy who is glad we stayed together ,else Hitler and other crazies might have never been defeated.

But if you lying Yanks had dealt fairly with the south there would never have been a war.








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Interception
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You really want to praise people who fought an unjust war so they could seize raw goods at a cheap price ?


A bit simplistic?

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No states gave their rights away.

The Yanks were thieves and murderers.

This coming from a guy who is glad we stayed together ,else Hitler and other crazies might have never been defeated.

But if you lying Yanks had dealt fairly with the south there would never have been a war.


You realize most of the people in this thread are southerners, right? Hate the war or not the reconciliation was remarkable by any historical standard. Your post make very little sense.






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NC_Tigah
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


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Regicide, confiscation of estates, religious persecution, yeah, that was civil. I suspect Charles I would trade fates with Jeff Davis.
Whoa nelly.

Jeff Davis' son was not exactly made king either.
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confiscation of estates
Like Arlington?

In more general terms re: confiscation of estates, the yankees often left nothing to confiscate.






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CarrolltonTiger
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Jeff Davis' son was not exactly made king either.


Jeff Davis was never a King, why should his son have been made one? WTF are you trying to say?

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In more general terms re: confiscation of estates, the yankees often left nothing to confiscate.


Does "more general terms" mean irrelevant? A comment on the restoration of civility isn't a comment on the destruction caused by the war. Yes, the American Civil War was far more destructive than the English Civil War, a different issue. But as I think Zach might say, "thanks for trying".







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Tchefuncte Tiger
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


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If it makes you feel better Detroit is suffering more.


Detroit is suffering because of their own doing. Reconstruction was economic and political warfare on the South brought on by revenge.






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GumboPot
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


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Lincoln was a great man that by all means simply wanted what was best for preserving the Union. He deserves an incredible amount of gratitude for the olive branch he gave the south post civil war.




Abe Lincoln:
Born: February 12, 1809
Died: April 15, 1865

April 12, 1861 – May 9, 1865 (by declaration)
(4 years, 3 weeks and 6 days)
(last shot fired June 22, 1865)

Please explain, or is this an attempt at revisionist history?







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CarrolltonTiger
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Detroit is suffering because of their own doing.


If the South had won the war you really think, the Union was going to accept the freedmen as citizens?

Had the South won we would have been in deeper shite down the road than anything reconstruction caused.






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Tchefuncte Tiger
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re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement


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If the South had won the war you really think, the Union was going to accept the freedmen as citizens?

Had the South won we would have been in deeper shite down the road than anything reconstruction caused.


I don't disagree with this, but I also don't think the reconciliation of the US after the Civil War was "remarkable." I will say that after the war, some former Confederates wanted to continue fighting a guerilla campaign, but the now reviled Robert E. Lee pretty much said the war is over, let it go.



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