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CarrolltonTiger 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:02 pm to LSUgusto)
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CT, why do you think it was that way?
In my opinion, beyond the need for the nation to reunite, the contemporary feeling of much of the nation including Lincoln was that the war was a major frick up, unnecessary and could have been prevented. Both sides felt responsible for the blunder. Hence the magnanimity.
That view would also explain why the old regime in the south was more or less allowed to re-establish itself.
That view became necessarily unacceptable in the 1960's hence the revisionism.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:03 pm to TxTiger82)
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Right and apparently they enslaved Africans once in Liberia. I, for one, did not know that.
it's kind of a dirty secret 
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Porky 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:51 pm to Interception)
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Lincoln was a great man that by all means simply wanted what was best for preserving the Union. He deserves an incredible amount of gratitude for the olive branch he gave the south post civil war.
Even though Lincoln initially had little support in the North for the war, I do believe he perhaps had a vision of the consequences had the South succeeded with their independence. It would have dramatically weakened both countries while two European powers, France and England, were lurking and waiting for it to happen so they could perhaps make headway, militarily or politically.
This post was edited on 2/24 at 2:56 pm
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Turbeauxdog
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:55 pm to Powerman)
Lulz,
Engage in an unwarranted act of tyranny and get a quarter million people killed, get a lot of credit for not terrorizing the defeated afterwords.
Good lord.
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LSUgusto
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:57 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Good answer. 
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:57 pm to Porky)
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It would have dramatically weakened both countries while two European powers, France and England, were lurking and waiting for it to happen so they could perhaps make headway, militarily or politically.
Not likely IMHO, by 1846, Britain had agreed to its border with the Oregon territory, California was safely in the Union, Mexico was secure below the Rio Grande. Neither France Or Britain were a serious threat in N America.
Spending billions on a unnecessary war, creating over a million casualties, devestating much of the nation didn't really strengthen the US.
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Tiguar 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:57 pm to Turbeauxdog)
He actively fought it. That's a little different than "not doing it"
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LSUgusto
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:58 pm to Turbeauxdog)
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Engage in an unwarranted act of tyranny and get a quarter million people killed, get a lot of credit for not terrorizing the defeated afterwords. Good lord.
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Navytiger74
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 2:58 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Shit, CT. I'm astonished and amazed. Great thread.
Nothing further from me on this subject. 
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Zach
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:00 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
I can't think of another civil war where opponents called time out on the field to trade coffee for tobacco.
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roygu
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:13 pm to Zach)
I guess history has changed over the last fifty years. When I was in school in the fifties, history books in Louisiana gave a record of punishing the South, after the war during the Reconstruction Period. We were taught that as the reason the KKK grew in strength during that period. Didn't Southerners lose their right to vote for a period. Lincoln did have a plan for forgiveness and rebuilding but, his death was used as a means to pass laws to punish the South.
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oldcharlie8 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:17 pm to Zach)
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I can't think of another civil war where opponents called time out on the field to trade coffee for tobacco.
in the books that i've read, it was done mostly at night. the soldiers would sneak out of camp, walk about 500 yards, and trade tobacco for coffee or vice versa.
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Zach
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:18 pm to roygu)
There was some retribution. But it was nothing like the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:19 pm to roygu)
I never suggested there was no period of reconstruction. But reconstruction was uneven, it lasted longer in LA than most other states, it was also driven by graft and corruption, and probably more corrupt here also. I'm not saying there were no adverse conditions resulting from losing but it ended rather quickly and the reconciliation was most amicable, and the old regime was able to re-install itself.
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ChewyDante
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:20 pm to LSUgusto)
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IMHO, the reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable
I recall the footage of a Civil War soldier reunion, where Union and Confederate veterans, each side brandishing their own flags, physically embraced each other. It's wild, when you think about it.
LINK
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Keltic Tiger
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:01 pm to ChewyDante)
"The reconcilliation was most amicable". Tell that to the 1000's of Southerners who were raped economically by the Carpet Baggers. That went on a hell of a long time. The biggest issue as regards to letting bygones be bygones was that by the end of the war, the South as a whole was sick of the fighting & suffering & just wanted to get on with their lives.
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Tchefuncte Tiger 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:03 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
You mean the post-war disaster known as Reconstruction? The south is still suffering from this.
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Champagne 
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:03 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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achievement that should be celebrated.
If Pres Lincoln could have lived long enough to supervise Reconstruction, things would have been much better.
IMHO, Reconstruction was not as smooth and painless as it could have been. Lincoln was not there to supervise things.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:08 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger)
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The south is still suffering from this.
If it makes you feel better Detroit is suffering more.
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ChineseBandit58
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| re: The reconciliation of the US after our Civil War was a remarkable achievement (Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:09 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Name another Civil War where the victors allowed the defeated to honor their heroes, create monuments, holidays, name towns after them, where the winners restored the civil rights to the defeated put them on their courts and enter Congress, named federal property after them.
If only Lincoln had lived the state of the nation would not nearly be so divisive as it is today re: racism.
The reconstruction was particularly bad for reinforcing that divisiveness. It is why there were no Republican candidates for the first six decades of the 20th century in the south.
But you are correct = we did avoid the retribution that normally follows a civil war.
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