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jacks40 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:10 am to The Mick)
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I think the NCAA was absolutely right to get involved and punish that university. I dont know the merits of the investigation etc so maybe something there but PSU certainly violated bylaws.
They could have at least done their own investigation
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The Mick 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:28 am to shel311)
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But the problem is that the punishment violated the NCAA's boundaries,
Ah gotcha.. clearly there was lack of institutional control at the very least. I dont think anyone can disagree with that. What punishment specifically violated the rules? (if you know..)
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Mr Gardoki 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:31 am to The Mick)
I too was not a big fan of him as chancellor at LSU. I admit he did some good things, but bad too and overall I just didn't like the guy. Always came across as a dbag to me.
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josh336
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:42 am to Mr Gardoki)
He got Saban to LSU, that was pretty frickin big.
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The Mick
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:44 am to josh336)
I thought Skip Bertman got Saban?
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H-Town Tiger 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:48 am to The Mick)
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I thought Skip Bertman got Saban?
Bertman got Miles, may have helped Saban leave, but he was just the BB coach when Saban was hired. Dean was still AD and wanted to keep DiNardo another year, Emmert wanted a change.
Emmert realized LSU was leaving money on the table with the nickle and dime approach of Joe Dean. Yeah, the AD was in the black, but could have been making so much more.
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elprez00
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 11:59 am to DanglingFury)
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What did he do wrong when he was here?
Driving force behind the Master Plan. Focused on upgrading LSU research opportunities instead of education. His initiative was the reason LSU started firing all its instructors and replacing them with phds or doctoral candidates.
While I had some good professors at my time at LSU that were phds, the majority of them were there to do research, and class got in the way. I learned far more from instructors that were there to teach.
This also resulted in the combining of the CM and IE depts which meant all the CM instructors that actually had built stuff we're replaced by IE phds who had no clue what they were teaching. Thankfully its been corrected, but for the last couple of years CM has been putting out kids that don't even know how to read plans. That's a problem.
:stepsoffsoapbox
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Maximus
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:04 pm to JohnnyU)
where is the link?
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Archie Bengal Bunker 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:06 pm to GFunk)
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It came to light that the NCAA actually bought Shapiro a "burner phone" so as to have some discussions with him totally off-the-record and untraceable.
The payments they made to others-if they would've been under $15K-would've never seen the light of day. They were knowingly paying people involved with the criminal aspect of the Shapiro Investigation in exchange for information they could use in their ongoing investigation.
Most importantly, the NCAA's #2 person-who reports directly to Emmert-was approving payments and could easily be construed to have knowledge of what was going on. Emmert's astoundingly set up the organizational tree there so that only two people directly report to him. Which is almost too fantastic to be believed.
He's tarnished his career in a very, very big way with all of this.
So, they paid people for information? Maybe, I am missing something, but what is the big deal?
Everyone one complains that the NCAA doesn't go after people hard enough, that they have no real authority. Well, they don't have real power to get information. But they pay for it, and that is a problem?
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Mr Gardoki
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:06 pm to josh336)
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He got Saban to LSU, that was pretty frickin big.
He did and that's great but that was also not his job so I didn't judge him on it. He was good for athletics but I didn't like what he did we the instructors. Learning math in an auditorium and from a computer is never a good idea.
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:09 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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So, they paid people for information? Maybe, I am missing something, but what is the big deal?
what's the big deal paying people for information they could not legally obtain? Really?
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:10 pm to Mr Gardoki)
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He was good for athletics but I didn't like what he did we the instructors. Learning math in an auditorium and from a computer is never a good idea.
was that something that only happened at LSU?
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elprez00
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:39 pm to H-Town Tiger)
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was that something that only happened at LSU?
My only point of comparison to LSU is Southeastern, and I know theres still a good number of instructors there.
I loved taking Accounting in the Cambell Auditorium with 325 people. Especially loved having TA's take small groups to answer questions for a professor that, for all intent and purposes, had no office hours.
My personal favorite was taking a class that was supposed to be basically on concrete from an IE Dr that had never bought a bag of quickcrete, let alone placed hundreds of cubic yards, and had no clue what he was teaching or why he was teaching it.
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Archie Bengal Bunker
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:01 pm to H-Town Tiger)
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what's the big deal paying people for information they could not legally obtain? Really?
There was no article linked. Why was it illegal for the NCAA to obtain the information? I said I may be missing something. On its face, paying for information when you don't have real legal authority to demand the information seems like a capitalist solution to the problem.
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jacks40
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:05 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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So, they paid people for information? Maybe, I am missing something, but what is the big deal?
Well first it throws doubt on the credibility of the info obtained.
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:15 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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On its face, paying for information when you don't have real legal authority to demand the information seems like a capitalist solution to the problem.
I'm not sure you understand cpaitalism or illegal if that's your thought 
Seriously, think about what you are saying. They do have not legal authority to get the information. I take that to mean, it is information they are not allowed to obtain.
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tigerpimpbot 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:21 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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Lach was part of the chain that approved payments to Perez, the attorney for Shapiro, a convicted Ponzi scheme architect now serving a 20-year term in federal prison. According to a 52-page report commissioned by the NCAA and released Monday, Perez offered her help to the NCAA in the form of ''using bankruptcy subpoenas to compel depositions from witnesses who had refused to cooperate.''
The NCAA, in turn, provided her with specific questions to ask, those coming in an email from former investigator Ameen Najjar, dated Dec. 18, 2011. ''Maria, Listed below are a number of areas we would like you to explore,'' began the email from Najjar.
From there, he listed 34 questions, none of which seem to be in any way related to a bankruptcy case.
Upon learning that Perez was willing to participate with investigators, members of the NCAA's legal team urged the enforcement department not to proceed, though were apparently ignored. And now the depositions given by former Miami equipment-room staffer Sean Allen and former Shapiro business partner Michael Huyghue - along with any other lead that came out of their interviews - have been tossed from the NCAA's case against the Hurricanes.
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Archie Bengal Bunker
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:24 pm to H-Town Tiger)
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Seriously, think about what you are saying. They do have not legal authority to get the information. I take that to mean, it is information they are not allowed to obtain.
Seriously, look at what I said. I said legal authority "to demand" the information, not obtain as you suggest. I may be able to legally obtain the information as to whether or not you paid a player for pay, but I have no legal authority to demand you to tell me. I can't force you to appear or participate in an interview, but as a capitalist, I can offer you $100 for an interview.
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tigerpimpbot
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:25 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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I can't force you to appear or participate in an interview, but as a capitalist, I can offer you $100 for an interview.
Yeah, you can't force a kid to go to Florida State, but as a capitalist you can give him free shoes to go there.
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PuntBamaPunt 
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| re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres (Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:26 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
They bribed the bankruptcy lawyer to ask a list of their questions, under oath, which were irrelevant to the hearing.
and for emmert to claim the "i didn't know" defense is the height of hypocrisy.
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