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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:06 pm to Codythetiger)
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He's always on Facebook while he's working. He takes pictures of the tickets he's writing, uploads them and comments on Facebook about them.
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He constantly takes pictures of himself in full uniform while at work with gun on hand.
Something tells me that this situation will resolve itself in the near future.
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okietiger13 
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:45 pm to Zach)
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When you go to police training and flunk the mental tests, they give you a job as a jailer. That may explain some things.
Most sheriff's offices require new deputies to work in the jail before being allowed to advance to patrol.
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:52 pm to cwill)
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We should all be concerned about dumbasses with guns and badges.
Moreso the ones with guns than badges. There are a lot more of them.
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Sentrius 
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:53 pm to okietiger13)
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Most sheriff's offices require new deputies to work in the jail before being allowed to advance to patrol.
This is true. In my parish, all new deputies start at the jail. Doesn't matter if you have a college degree or not. You just get paid more with a college degree.
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TheDoc
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:54 pm to Meauxjeaux)
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A ticket is a summons. A summons is an arrest.
What?
A summons is issued to appear in court.
This is not a arrest. If you were arrested you would have been handcuffed,read your rights and taken to police station.
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cwill 
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:59 pm to Layabout)
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Moreso the ones with guns than badges.
No the badge + gun is much more dangerous...they feel they have the authority of the state and are empowered by it to violate you rights and then hide behind the wall of government/police. But you're a liberal and welcome state authority.
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cwill
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:59 pm to TheDoc)
Any time you're stopped by the cops you are "arrested".
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MrCarton 
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:03 pm to cwill)
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arrested
Legal status is "detained".
That is my understanding of it, lawyers please feel free to chime in.
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MrCarton
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:03 pm to TheDoc)
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A summons is issued to appear in court.
This is not a arrest. If you were arrested you would have been handcuffed,read your rights and taken to police station.
This.
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cwill
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:08 pm to MrCarton)
When you are stopped and before the ticket is written are you free to disengage and leave the scene? No. You are under arrest, albeit temporary...The original post stating that a summons is an arrest is not correct but the stop is, in fact, an arrest.
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:10 pm to okietiger13)
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Most sheriff's offices require new deputies to work in the jail before being allowed to advance to patrol.
Never heard of that. It's certainly not the case in Caddo and Bossier, either police or sheriff's. The jailors are the ones who can't pass basic training. Both parishes, as well as Webster and Shreveport Police all use the same training school.
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MrCarton
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:14 pm to cwill)
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When you are stopped and before the ticket is written are you free to disengage and leave the scene? No. You are under arrest, albeit temporary...The original post stating that a summons is an arrest is not correct but the stop is, in fact, an arrest.
It is a temporary detention. Just like if TSA takes you into the interrogation area to ask you questions, or when a foreign government keeps you away from your flight.
I get what you are saying, but arrest and detention have a different legal status that is important to understand:
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Detentions are shorter in duration and scope than arrest, and require a lower burden of proof.
If I have Reasonable Suspicion that a crime has or is about to occur, and reasonably believe that a person may have information about this, I can detain them for a short period of time to investigate the matter. As part of my investigation, I can conduct a pat down for weapons (if I reasonably believe that they may be present) and seek information to determine exactly what is, has, or will happen. The timeframe can vary a bit due to each set of circumstances, but 20 minutes or so has been ruled to be a reasonable timeframe for detaining someone.
If I have Probable Cause to believe a specific person has committed a crime, I can arrest that person. At that point, I can conduct a complete search of their person for weapons, evidence, and contraband, as well as their vehcile if they are or have been near it recently. I can remove them from the scene and hold them (in jail) for 24 hours or until I get a warrant issued for the charges.
If anyone resists an arrest or detention, I am authorized to use force to apprehend them (in addition, resisting an arrest or detention is a crime, so resisting immediately gives me probable cause to make an arrest).
Normally I don't have to use any "meaningful" physical force to restrain someone I am detaining or arresting. Most people cooperate on their own.
A person can usually tell (with me) because I'll tell them when they are under arrest. If a case arises when I handcuff someone who is merely detained, I will tell them, "You're not under arrest at this time; you are being detained while I investigate what's going on."
Hope that clarifies things-
Citicop.
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:34 pm to Codythetiger)
Illegal - NO
Dumb as shite - Yes
Which would explain
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He's real small town, never amounted to much
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okietiger13
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:35 pm to Zach)
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Never heard of that. It's certainly not the case in Caddo and Bossier, either police or sheriff's. The jailors are the ones who can't pass basic training. Both parishes, as well as Webster and Shreveport Police all use the same training school.
This is just wrong. I know for a fact that both BSO and CSO deputies start in the jails. Also SPD has a POST academy as well as Bossier Sheriff
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:02 pm to cwill)
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We should all be concerned about dumbasses with guns and badges.
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ClientNumber9
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:40 pm to Meauxjeaux)
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A summons is an arrest.
No it isn't. Not even close. While court/arrest records are generally available to the public, it does not give the officer the freedom to display personal information on Facebook. I guarantee you this violates his agency's policy. I hated local cops before I joined federal law enforcement. Now I really hate them. There's nothing worse than a small town, local cop with a gun, badge, GED and too much testosterone.
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ClientNumber9
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:45 pm to cwill)
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When you are stopped and before the ticket is written are you free to disengage and leave the scene? No.
This is a temporary detention based on reasonable suspicion. IT IS NOT AN ARREST. Just because you are not free to leave, doesn't make it an arrest. There is no such thing as a temporary arrest. By definition, a detention is temporary, an arrest is a permanent seizure of something or someone.
A traffic stop is not an arrest, unless the officer develops probable cause that a crime has occurred. You need to understand the difference between reasonable suspicion and probable cause.
Reasonable suspicion: a set of articulable facts, when taken together, lead the officer to believe a person MIGHT be involved in criminal activity. (You can temporarily detain based on RS.)
Probable cause: a set of articulable facts, when taken together, lead the officer to believe a person is LIKELY to be involved in criminal activity. (You can permanently seize or arrest based on PC.)
Google search Terry v. Ohio.
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:49 pm to ClientNumber9)
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A summons is an arrest.
No it isn't. Not even close.
What is the name of your state? Louisiana
Misdemeanor Summons And Arrest
When a police officer has probable cause to arrest someone for a title 14, criminal violation, and the officer issues a misdemeanor summons. Is that considered in Louisiana Law to be a lawful custodial arrest or lawful arrest?
Technically, if you're stopped by the police, that's an arrest. You're not in CUSTODY yet, though. Thus, as ptlmejo said a citation is an arrest (at least you were arrested while it was being written up), then, you're let go.
Is the officer required then to advise the subject that he is being arrested and advise the subject of his Miranda rights and charges?
Nope. In an arrest of a ticket/citation/summons situation, no requirement to read Miranda Rights. But you always have the Right to Remain Silent the moment you come into contact with a cop, anyway. This protection comes via the 5th Amendment.
But in a FORMAL/CUSTODIAL ARREST meaning you know it's no longer party time (the handcuffs are on, you're headed down to the station), the reading of your Rights varies from one jurisdiction to the next--and can be read somewhere between the time the cuffs go on and you're chilling in a smelly holding cell with smelly roommates. This type of situation activates the Miranda Rights reading. Miranda v. Arizona, 1966
(note: from a quick google search. The site is a law advise site. I don't feel like digging through all of the technical stuff, but the reality is that a ticket is a summons and a summons is an arrest.
Just because you don't get handcuffed and read rights does not mean it's not an arrest)
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228Tiger
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:51 pm to La Place Mike)
The triple post 
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Elcid96
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| re: So I Went To High School With A Cop (Posted on 2/17/13 at 5:52 pm to Meauxjeaux)
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But in a FORMAL/CUSTODIAL ARREST meaning you know it's no longer party time (the handcuffs are on, you're headed down to the station), the reading of your Rights varies from one jurisdiction to the next--and can be read somewhere between the time the cuffs go on and you're chilling in a smelly holding cell with smelly roommates. This type of situation activates the Miranda Rights
Miranda Rights are not required when someone is placed under arrest. You can be arrested, cuffed etc and not have your rights read to you. It is not against the law.
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