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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:42 pm to Fox Mulder)
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No THEY didn't. Ethel was innocent.
guilty by association.
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CarrolltonTiger 
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:26 pm to Fox Mulder)
Her brother said she was a participant, but he also was an admitted Communist, spy and traitor so can we really believe him?
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Libertyabides
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:26 pm to Fox Mulder)
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They say Julius was a spy and how inconsequential his information was.
They were involved in a spy network, literally the whole greenglass/rosenberg family was. And for whatever reason they refused to talk.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:30 pm to Fox Mulder)
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Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US
Que?
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Wolfhound45
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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guilty by association
Collateral damage?
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Navytiger74
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:58 pm to Fox Mulder)
Most everything that's come out since the mid-1980s indicates that Julius Rosenberg was 100% guilty of espionage and likely contributed to the USSR's atomic weapons' program. Ethel, who knows? She was almost certainly complicit in some way, but that information is a bit sketchier.
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Fox Mulder 
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:00 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Her brother who refuses I give any interviews or talk to her children? Her brother who lied to save his own ass?
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:02 pm to Libertyabides)
Yes they were. Ethel was not. The biggest lie is that Julius gave them the a-bomb and it is patently false. Soviet scientists and spies have all said as much.
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Navytiger74
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:06 pm to Fox Mulder)
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The biggest lie is that Julius gave them the a-bomb and it is patently false.
He gave them information on the A-bomb that they already had.
Believe me, his failure at helping them get it wasn't for lack of trying.
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MrCarton 
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:07 pm to Navytiger74)
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Believe me, his failure at helping them get it wasn't for lack of trying.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:11 pm to Navytiger74)
I agree but the fact remains he did not. His conspirators actually did give the soviets useful information that killed Americans, so why didn't they go to the electric chair? And  at the US government for sticking Ethel in the chair.
ETA: and regardless of anything, they were executed without being given a fair trial.
This post was edited on 2/17 at 2:15 pm
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Zach
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:11 pm to Fox Mulder)
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No THEY didn't. Ethel was innocent.
KGB disagrees with you.
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ChineseBandit58
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:18 pm to Fox Mulder)
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You do realize the case was rank with prosecutorial misconduct
WHAT DIFFERENCE COULD IT POSSIBLY MAKE NOW
geeze - I am beginning to love that phrase.
oh - btw - both were guilty of treason. Both deserved to be executed.
No sympathy at all for them. No redeeming qualities at all.
The fact that many others also deserved to die doesn't lessen the fact that they deserved to die for what they did.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:20 pm to Zach)
Morton Sobell, a co conspirator of Julius', agrees with me. Also several witnesses admitted the extent if her involvement was that she typed notes for Julius. That's it. Any evidence at the trial is unreliable due o the gross prosecutorial misconduct that occurred.
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Lsupimp
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:21 pm to Fox Mulder)
I remember reading the Venona Papers back in the day,and as I recall, Ethel's role was a bit ambiguous, even if she was a committed Fellow Traveler. Julius was guilty as hell, even if he was not as successful as he had hoped.
They were traitors to their country. Those were sketchy times, Communism was in the process of exterminating 100,000,000 people in 70 years. Forgive me if I don't tear up for those that aided and abetted in this greatest of human tragedies. Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Navytiger74
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:23 pm to Lsupimp)
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Ain't nobody got time for that.
But seriously, frick the Rosenbergs.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:28 pm to Lsupimp)
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even if she was a committed Fellow Traveler
She wasn't a fellow traveller, she was an active communist. A fellow traveller is one sympatheitc who assists but is not a member of the organizaton.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:29 pm to Lsupimp)
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I remember reading the Venona Papers back in the day,and as I recall, Ethel's role was a bit ambiguous, even if she was a committed Fellow Traveler. Julius was guilty as hell, even if he was not as successful as he had hoped.
The prosecution knew Ethel wasn't a spy but leveraged her against Julius so he would cooperate. Julius called what he thought was their bluff. they weren't bluffing.
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They were traitors to their country. Those were sketchy times, Communism was in the process of exterminating 100,000,000 people in 70 years. Forgive me if I don't tear up for those that aided and abetted in this greatest of human tragedies. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Nobody does indeed, but I find the case fascinating and really a scary example of how U.S. citizens do not always get a fair trial. They might as well have been executed upon arrest.
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Fox Mulder
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:29 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
Being a communist is not and never has been a capital offense.
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CarrolltonTiger
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New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
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| re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US (Posted on 2/17/13 at 2:32 pm to Fox Mulder)
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Being a communist is not and never has been a capital offense.
They weren't tried for being communist you stupid troll.
Have you noticed not one person has agreed with your foolishness in this thread. Is this sonmething your man crush Kaare Johnson is pushing or have you actually read something about the rosenbergs recently?
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