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re: Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:29 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:29 am to Ace Midnight
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If they're not going to respect what came before, again, I'm serious, why am I watching it then?
To be entertained? To watch a new beginning to a series you've loved? To see how a new imagining of the franchise works? I don't know, pick one.
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If it is just in "the key" of Star Trek, or "flavored" with Star Trek, but it throws everything that made me enjoy Star Trek away, why do I even care?
Is the only thing you care about TOS? I mean that seriously. And hell, I don't really care about it, I just thought it was enjoyable. Do you have to actually care about something to truly enjoy it? Or even like it a little? I could give two damns about the Avengers. In fact, I much prefer other superheroes to the Avengers brand. But I still found that movie enjoyable (which apparently you did as well).
Do you only watch movies of things that you've developed a deep-seeded connection with through years of devoted fandom? Or do you watch standalone movies like Inception and Shutter Island and Goodfellas and on and on and on...?
I guess I'm just confused as to your question: Why should you care? You shouldn't. Perhaps that's the problem You care too damn much.
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:30 am to Fearthehat0307
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esus dude ok fine you don't like it. you apparently won't get anyone to change your mind so I really don't get the point of this thread
He want's to discuss his opinion with other like-minded TOS fans but he's not giving the thread enough time for any to show. I don't think his intention was to debate fans of the movie.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:30 am to Ace Midnight
I wasn't as impressed with it as others seem to be. I hate the look of the new Enterprise, but other than that I like the visuals of the movie. I'll catch the sequel, but I'm not as pumped as I was for the 2009 movie, which probably means I'll enjoy it more.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:32 am to dr smartass phd
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I thought TNG was sacrilege when it started.
I didn't. I've softened on TNG over the years, because I've gone back and watched Babylon 5 and DS9 - B5 could be hokey at times, but there was legitimate drama there, from start to finish. DS9 is just stunning in retrospect, so well thought out. TNG got better when they gave up on Wesley as a deus ex machina after the first season or so. It's still a good, episodic program, better than Voyager, certainly, but TOS and DS9 stand above the others because of - character development, 4 dimensional characters. The great stength of DS9 was Gul Dukat, one of the most fully developed, 4 dimensional SciFi villains of all time.
Another weakness of the 2009 Abrams film - the villain was G*dawful.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:33 am to Fearthehat0307
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jesus dude ok fine you don't like it. you apparently won't get anyone to change your mind so I really don't get the point of this thread
The m/TV board is filled with old farts that are extremely opinionated... I am learning this.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:37 am to Ace Midnight
I felt like the 09 movie was too much of an action flick, while Star Trek at its best balances action with headier themes.
I will also admit to being the type of fan that was annoyed that Kirks dad was in a ship that looked like it just flew in from fighting the Borg Cube in FC.
I will also admit to being the type of fan that was annoyed that Kirks dad was in a ship that looked like it just flew in from fighting the Borg Cube in FC.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:37 am to BaddestAndvari
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The m/TV board is filled with old farts that are extremely opinionated... I am learning this.
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:42 am to Fearthehat0307
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rather than Abram, as I have not enjoyed any of his other work. you are dead to me
dead as a doormat.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:43 am to LoveThatMoney
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Or do you watch standalone movies like Inception and Shutter Island and Goodfellas and on and on and on...?
You picked three pretty good movies. I enjoyed them.
I didn't enjoy the 2009 movie. I'm in the minority. I admitted it. I guess you're right and I'm wrong then. The best news about all of this is that I never have to watch another Star Trek or Star Wars movie ever again. Or Indiana Jones.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:46 am to Ace Midnight
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TNG
Still the best series. I was always a TOS guy until I finally gave this one a chance. TNG's first couple of seasons are kind of rough...but, damn does season three get the ball rolling!
Comparing any of this to the new Abrams stuff is just not possible. It took me a long while to step back and separate the two. Sure, it's still the Star Trek Universe...but, it's also not the same.
Looking forward to the new movie
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:52 am to Murray
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I don't think his intention was to debate fans of the movie.
Although I knew it would happen, and I tried to resist, you're correct. The thread topic was crystal clear. In the OP I clearly stated that I know I'm in the minority, I don't want to be converted. I made it as clear as pie that I was just floating this out to see if any other TOS fans agreed with me, maybe not to the extreme, but disliked or hated the film as well.
Anybody who came in here and posted otherwise, did so either, 1.) Didn't read/understand the thread title and OP or 2.) Didn't care.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:53 am to gjackx
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I was always a TOS guy until I finally gave this one a chance. TNG's first couple of seasons are kind of rough...but, damn does season three get the ball rolling!
TNG had a lot of forgettable episodes, IMO, but at its best it really was something special.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:55 am to Ace Midnight
quote:almost everyone of your posts bashed it then asked something to the effect of why should I care or why should I like it. it seemed you were fishing for someone to tell you why should you be converted.
don't want to be converted. I made it as clear as pie that I was just floating this out to see if any other TOS fans agreed with me,
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:56 am to Ace Midnight
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Although I knew it would happen, and I tried to resist, you're correct. The thread topic was crystal clear. In the OP I clearly stated that I know I'm in the minority, I don't want to be convereted. I made it as clear as pie that I was just floating this out to see if any other TOS fans agreed with me, maybe not to the extreme, but disliked or hated the film as well.
Anybody who came in here and posted otherwise, did so either, 1.) Didn't read/understand the thread title and OP or 2.) Didn't care.
Oh I definitely understand why you got into the debates. It's actually funny watching everyone lose their minds over your opinion.
It's just that the majority of this board enjoyed it so you are going to take some heat for a few pages. Give it some time to simmer. If the thread stays on the 1st page long enough you'll probably see the posters you're looking for pop up.
For the record, I really liked the reboot. While I've seen all of the previous Star Trek movies I'm not a hardcore fan or anything.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:59 am to Master of Sinanju
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TNG had a lot of forgettable episodes, IMO, but at its best it really was something special.
I can agree with this - the strength of the cast pulled them through the rough spots and at its best was very, very good. I still like TOS the best, despite the overall poor production values (at least by today's standards), and occasionally hokey script, "Spock's Brain" - but, even when they had poor material, like the aforementioned "Spock's Brain" and "Spectre of the Gun" (they had about a $500 budget for the episodes - it was supposed to be a full on western town), the characters shined through.
For threaded, "novel" like feel, B5 (which I admit I was not a fan of originally) and DS9 were ahead of their time, similar in flow and feel to shows like Game of Thrones. Part of it was the core plot - TOS and TNG had ships making stops at random places meeting random aliens with random prosthetic foreheads. B5 and DS9 were living breathing communities, with civilians as well as government/politics/religion persistent factors that gave the shows a realistic feel, despite the SciFi setting.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/15/13 at 9:59 am to Murray
quote:meh this thread has been really tame. I don't see anyone "losing their shite". All I see is angry tirades of ace
Oh I definitely understand why you got into the debates. It's actually funny watching everyone lose their minds over your opinion.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:00 am to Fearthehat0307
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All I see is angry tirades of ace
I've done worse.
(ETA: My family has repeatedly requested I not discuss this topic with them, so I am not denying that elements of the "tirade" charge may, in fact, be a fair characterization.)
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:02 am to Fearthehat0307
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I don't see anyone "losing their shite".
Well its not too late Fear. Crank that shite up. Pretend like he said Chuck was the worst tv show since Jonie loves Chachie.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:02 am to Ace Midnight
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I've done worse.
(ETA: My family has repeatedly requested I not discuss this topic with them, so I am not denying that elements of the "tirade" charge may, in fact, be a fair characterization.)
Posted on 2/15/13 at 10:07 am to Fearthehat0307
To be fair, they did force me to watch the stupid thing after I had decided to pass. I tried to walk out after 10 minutes, then they made me watch the entire thing in silence (I guess I let them make me, if you want to really carry the whole "personal responsibility" thing to its logical conclusion.)
I then got up and walked out, in silence. Then they asked me what I thought about it, and tried to convince me I was wrong. Then they stopped talking about it and tried to get me to, as well.
I then got up and walked out, in silence. Then they asked me what I thought about it, and tried to convince me I was wrong. Then they stopped talking about it and tried to get me to, as well.
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