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canyon
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Cudjoe Key
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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


Not so fast. Let me get outta here first....
And remember, this state has had two of the more famous mass killings in most recent history and those certainly take their toll on the major populace. While it does piss me off that the first round went to the anti gun idiots, this is far from being over.






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wiltznucs
South Florida Fan
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


I said from the get-go that in all likelihood you'd see gun bans/magazine restrictions at a State or local level as opposed to nationally. Quite honestly as a supporter of State's Rights and Democracy I support the peoples right to self govern. If Colorado's voters decide to ban guns/limit magazine capacity it's their choice and while I may not agree with it I do support it. Colorado also saw fit to legalize marijuana in the absence of national legislation. Some may not agree with it, but nevertheless I support their decision as it fits their needs. What you are seeing in CO is exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, the State's making their own decisions as part of a greater union.

The nice thing about being part of our American union is that theres a relatively easy fix if you dont like your State's policies.... Pack your shite and move, in this great country theres nothing stopping you.




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Knuckle Child
Member since Feb 2013
159 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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There's a prime piece of land for sale on Bert kouns that could house it

Shreveport? That's Texas masquerading as Louisiana






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El Josey Wales
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Greater Geismar
Member since Nov 2007
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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


I agree with Wiltznucs. As long as they keep the gun grabbing at a state level and not federal, I can deal with it. I don't have to like it or agree with it but at least I have a choice in the matter as far as where I want to live in order to avoid it.





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VetteGuy
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Mandeville
Member since Feb 2008
8971 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


Excellent points.

A question, though:

Let's say your state bans 15+ round magazines.
At that point, is it legal to even have them in your possession?

Same deal on a federal level. If they are banned, can you even go to the range and shoot with them?






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wiltznucs
South Florida Fan
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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Let's say your state bans 15+ round magazines.
At that point, is it legal to even have them in your possession?

Same deal on a federal level. If they are banned, can you even go to the range and shoot with them?


I suppose that would depend on the wording of the legislation. From a practical standpoint I just dont see how the States of Feds can collect the millions of mags given that they arent tracked, inventoried, serial numbered, registered, etc.

I lived in GA during the last AWB. There were plenty of folks that had "pre-ban" magazines for handguns/etc which were at the local gun ranges. Was that legal? I'm not sure but if it was illegal it certainly wasnt being enforced. My guess is that the legislation would regulate the retail and person to person sale of high cap magazines. Being that the mags would be perfectly legal right across the State border this would probably lead to an underground market for "pre-ban" or gray market mags in the affected State. It will be interesting to see how any legislation comes down the pipe as enforcement of the legislation has some huge hurdles.






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faxis
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La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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Shreveport? That's Texas masquerading as Louisiana




Texas actually invaded Shreveport at one point. Which is more than the Yankees can say since NW LA was the only part of the state that didn't just roll over and suck their dick like South LA did. Shreveport was the last capital of the Confederacy and the only one that was never taken by force. When they tried it they got their asses handed to them, dropped their guns and ran back into the loving arms of South LA. So when you think about it, your great great great grandma probably banged a yankee for a ham sandwich which ultimately lead to you being here today!






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Knuckle Child
Member since Feb 2013
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When they tried it they got their asses handed to them, dropped their guns and ran back into the loving arms of South LA.

It was because of dat good cookin sha






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faxis
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La.
Member since Oct 2007
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Goddammit I was throwing heat there!

Been working on that reply to the coonasses calling us Yankees for years.






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Knuckle Child
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El Josey Wales
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Ace Midnight
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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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Just curious, but does anybody know why all the traditional gun manufacturing companies like Remington, Marlin, Weatherby, and Sig US are located in the most unfriendly gun states such as New York, Connecticut, California, and New Hampshire respectively?


That's because Yankees did not start turning anti-gun until the 1930s.






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VetteGuy
LSU Fan
Mandeville
Member since Feb 2008
8971 posts

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I suppose that would depend on the wording of the legislation. From a practical standpoint I just dont see how the States of Feds can collect the millions of mags given that they arent tracked, inventoried, serial numbered, registered, etc.


That's what I was thinking, too.

I know in New York that guy got stopped and and arrested b/c he some empty 30rd mags in his truck.

Gonna be a pretty crappy situation...






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bapple
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Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
6911 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


Wiltz, I'll start by saying you are right on point! As irritated as it makes me to see this stuff go through, at least it's not nationally.

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Colorado also saw fit to legalize marijuana in the absence of national legislation. Some may not agree with it, but nevertheless I support their decision as it fits their needs.


Although this legislation has nothing to do with firearms, I think it's a smart move. Rather than continuing to congest prisons with weed dealers, save the space for real criminals.

But not to get off topic...

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What you are seeing in CO is exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, the State's making their own decisions as part of a greater union.


Amen dude.

I really hope Magpul has to pick up it's operations and move. As much as it would suck for those workers that live there, just bring them over too. Leave Commierado Magpul!!



And in other news I found this gem yesterday too. This came from Olympic Arms who is located in WA, a relatively gun friendly state. They basically tell New York to FO. As cheap as their stuff may be, I gained a lot of respect for them after saying this. Check it:

"Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights.

One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines.

We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.

Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.

In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.

If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerate to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.

This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.

Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.

Sincerely,
Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc."






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mikeytig
LSU Fan
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
3204 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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long way from being law.


true- but the comm vote numbers make me nervous






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NimbleCat
LSU Fan
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2007
5802 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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It's ok though, weed is legal there. Nobody wants to shoot anyone up there anyway.


Good Point. The drug trade is known to be violence and gun free. With any luck, CO can get their gun laws and drug laws in line with Mexico's and then it will be a Rocky Mountain Utopia. (High excluded due to being too obvious).



OP: Sarcasm noted






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Bleeding purple
TCU Fan
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
20947 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


Welcome to Texas Magpul. Our gun rights are some of the best in the country. There is no State income tax. There is lots and lots of land so you can keep your manufacturing all on a single floor. There is a robust rail system, large intersecting interstate system, and large operational ports for distrubution.








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NimbleCat
LSU Fan
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2007
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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.


BALLS......BIG ONES.

It is easy to grin,
When your ship has come in.
And, You've got the stock market beat.
But the man who is worthwhile,
Is the one who can smile,
When his factory has production orders he cannot meet.






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uway
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Member since Sep 2004
17758 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


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What you are seeing in CO is exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, the State's making their own decisions as part of a greater union.


That's fine right up until their laws violate the Constitution.

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The nice thing about being part of our American union is that theres a relatively easy fix if you dont like your State's policies.... Pack your shite and move, in this great country theres nothing stopping you.


Eh. Colorado is a wonderful place to live. If I can't live in one of the United States of America b/c it has laws that unduly restrict my Constitutional rights, that's a problem. A lawful American citizen shouldn't have to sacrifice rights to live in a certain state.
What's the point of having this Union in that case?

Same goes for California.






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Stateguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
458 posts

re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4


I agree that CO can ban mags/certain guns if they choose.

But is saying
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Colorado also saw fit to legalize marijuana in the absence of national legislation
right?

Thought national law banned marijuana? Don't know if they intended for states to repeal national laws --> see whiskey rebellion and other times they brought in troops to enforce taxes

ETA: I do think they intended to govern things not spelled in the constitution (for the most part). Do think they did feel the federal government would get into things not in the constitution (and not all by amendment)



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