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jso0003
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


Meh the market will always be able to adapt. Look at office 365's subscription model...





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THRILLHO
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Back in the heyday of record companies having all the power, artists received very little money on CD sales and radio plays.


Did the artists sign their contract with the record companies against their will? Do you support minimum wage and this "Paycheck fairness act" that would force companies to pay men and women equally based on I don't even know what factors?

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It's a changing paradigm, and it's is turning the tide in the favor of content producers.


That's great.

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All thanks to pirate activity.



Or maybe just improved technology.

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Self-publishing is huge. Many people give away their material for free. Others sell it.



How much do they charge pirates for their material?

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originally published for free.


But not anymore? So there's a good chance that their plan was to give it away to get people talking, then start charging for it. Obviously the book is huge and they'll make bank off of it from movie rights/promotional appearances, but what if it weren't a colossal hit? If it were an entertaining book that a vast majority of people pirated, they're probably not going to make a ton of money off of it. What if it wasn't enough money to make it worth their while to write books instead of, say, working in a generic sales job, and they no longer write as a result? You don't see that as being an issue?






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WikiTiger
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


Typing on phone now so I can't expound as much as is like to


But no, I don't have a problem with someone camming a movie in a theater and selling it






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CollegeFBRules
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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But no, I don't have a problem with someone camming a movie in a theater and selling it








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BaddestAndvari
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Typing on phone now so I can't expound as much as is like to


But no, I don't have a problem with someone camming a movie in a theater and selling it


movies and tv are the last frontier to be knocked down and destroyed.. movies theaters are slowly losing their relevance and losing money by the billions every year, while network tv is quickly dying. It's a glorious day we live in, I can NOT way til our content is brought to us by services such as Netflix, who is currently working on 3 full shows.

We are a few years away from a turning point in tv / film, it will end up being 100% better than it ever has been.. I would actually gander to say we already have 1 1/2 feet into the other side of the pool at this point with Redbox, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon.. can't wait til we go in with both feet!






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Tigah in the ATL
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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joshnorris14
Why do you hate the Constitution?

You're beyond copyright protection, basically arguing that anything that can be copied should be available free.

It's a 12 year old's logic.






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PrimeTime Money
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree because your sense of right and wrong is pretty skewed.





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joshnorris14
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


I do not hate the Constitution. Frankly, I do not care about the constitution at all.

And yes, I think the closer things get to free, the better off people are.






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PrimeTime Money
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


Well everybody wants cheaper products... But you get there through innovation that allows faster production at lower costs.

Stealing is free, but that isn't the answer to making products cheaper.






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CollegeFBRules
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Member since Oct 2008
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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And yes, I think the closer things get to free, the better off people are.


What's the point of innovation then, with all the effort that goes into it, if your argument is for people who didn't innovate to be able to take what they want, when they want, and do with it as they want?






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LSUconvert
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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What's the point of innovation then




Let me give you a hint, it's not money, and never will be.






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Poodlebrain
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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It's called copyright infringement, not theft.
So if someone hacks into your computer while torrenting, and copies your bitcoin information, enabling them to benefit from the information, they haven't stolen anything they've just infringed a copyright.






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McLemore
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


The Constitution:

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Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.


do you think the DMCA, SOPA, and the judicial precedent set in many jurisdictions are concerned with this policy, as a matter of first priority?



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PrimeTime Money
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


Hey, what if I made a bunch of copies of a single $100 bill and added it to my bank account? Okay or not okay?





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Tigah in the ATL
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Back in the heyday of record companies having all the power, artists received very little money on CD sales and radio plays. In fact, it was not uncommon for very popular and successful bands to actually end up in debt to record companies because of their shady practices.


However, thanks to the internet, media production, promotion, etc have been democratized, and now many artists make more money touring and selling associated merchandise (t-shirts, etc.) while essentially giving away their music. It's a changing paradigm, and it's is turning the tide in the favor of content producers.

I say you are dead wrong, and this guy says you're dead wrong.

A long read, but basically calls bull shite on the "evil record companies" & "things are better now." In a nutshell, record companies usta pay for records to get made & usually lost money on them. Now artists have to make records themselves. He also exposes the so-called free-web companies as full of shit, since they make money off the process, while artists get screwed.






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cahoots
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Don't content creators also assume the risk that their content will be copied when released to the public? Perhaps they should adapt to new technology and develop a business model that takes advantage of the mediums available.



Every person who engages in business assumes such a risk. How does that justify anything?







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joshnorris14
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Stealing is free, but that isn't the answer to making products cheaper.


I agree, I am against stealing.

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But you get there through innovation that allows faster production at lower costs


I agree. As Aaron Swartz put it, the internet is a giant copy machine, it allows production to be near instant and near free.






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joshnorris14
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Hey, what if I made a bunch of copies of a single $100 bill and added it to my bank account? Okay or not okay?


Well it's ok up until the point where you buy a good from someone else who is under the impression that the bill wasn't counterfeited, at that point it becomes fraudulent.







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joshnorris14
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So if someone hacks into your computer while torrenting, and copies your bitcoin information, enabling them to benefit from the information, they haven't stolen anything they've just infringed a copyright.


go study cryptography and try to work this one out yourself.






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Paluka
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


So to you, if an architect has his copyrighted design used by someone else without his permission then it's ok? You're nuts.





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