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Turbeauxdog 
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:57 am to Navytiger74)
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Is the president not authorized, under the 2001 AUMF, to use military force against Al-Qaida--without respect for whether or not they're on a conventinal "battlefield"?
Hope he never decides I'm al qaida
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ReauxlTide222 
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 9:58 am to Tiguar)
I realize that. But in my opinion killing one of our own without due process is worse than waterboarding a foreign terrorist.
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Navytiger74
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:02 am to ReauxlTide222)
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Wait...so can we waterboard our own citizens? If we can kill them without due process surely we can waterboard them too right? Or is that just way too evil?
Killing the enemy in war is legitimate by every international convention and rule of war in human history (obviously).
Torture is not. Waterboarding is torture. We executed Jap soldiers for waterboarding during WWII. It amounts to an elaborate, protracted mock execution.
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GoCrazyAuburn 
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:06 am to Navytiger74)
So, even though we do t have to have evidence that a US citizen is "the enemy", you can honestly justify targeting and assassinating them while violating their amendment rights?
Glad we got that cleared up.
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Zahrim
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:11 am to Bayou Sam)
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An analogy might be some american citizen wearing a nazi uniform. Is that enough evidence to deprive them of due process? I say no because I think we should err on the side of law and not the deciding power of the executive, but the situation is not cut and dry.
The TWO American citizens executed through drone strikes by Obama were not actively shooting at Americans, they were in cities.
This has nothing to do with bin laden nor was bin laden taken out by drone strikes.
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Navytiger74
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:13 am to GoCrazyAuburn)
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even though we do t have to have evidence that a US citizen is "the enemy"
 If we don't have evidence that they are the enemy, why would we be targeting them?
We don't have a quota for firing missiles the way cops do for writing tickets.
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Broketec
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:15 am to Navytiger74)
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If we don't have evidence that they are the enemy, why would we be targeting them?
Obviously because Obama hates American citizens.
At least you'll have a tough time arguing against that on this board.
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GoCrazyAuburn
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:16 am to Navytiger74)
Oh so we had evidence, we just decided to bypass their due process just because? Whatever we knew was enough to convict them of being terrorists and so bad that it superseded their due process as American citizens?
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CptBengal 
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:21 am to Navytiger74)
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If we don't have evidence that they are the enemy, why would we be targeting them?
so take your evidence to court.
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RollTide1987
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:30 am to CptBengal)
If Al-Qaeda is a military enemy of the United States then why was the Obama Administration toying with the idea of trying their captured operatives in civilian courts?
Bottom line...even if these Americans are alleged operatives of Al-Qaeda, they are still citizens of the United States. And...as citizens...they are still entitled to the same Constitutional rights as you are me.
The government may not deprive citizens of “life, liberty, or property” without due process of law. That is the gist of the Fifth Amendment. Were those Americans killed in drone strikes given proper due process?
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PaddlingTiger
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| re: CIA Director Nom: Waterboarding “Reprehensible” Defends Assassinating Americans (Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:59 am to CajunAngele)
This doesn't seem hard to understand to me.
Of course water boarding and other forms of torture are wrong. And there should be no argument that water boarding is not torture, it has been considered torture for a long time.
Of course it is wrong to kill Americans without due process. That should be blatantly obvious. The so-called war on terror is no excuse for killing Americans who have not taken up arms against the country just because we think they may be terrorists.
As I learned in kindergarten, two wrongs do not make a right.
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