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Does anyone else think our MF problems mainly stem from the personnel Klinsy plays together?


Seriously?






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The thing with our midfield under Bradley was that it was almost always the same empty bucket formation during qualification; Dempsey and Donovan wide, in front of box-to-box Bradley and deep lying Ricardo Clark (actually decent in CONCACAF play).

We've used like four different lines of midfielders under Klinsmann.






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Does anyone else think our MF problems mainly stem from the personnel Klinsy plays together?



I think the talent is there to beat CONCACAF teams. A really big problem for the USMNT is no identity. Describe our offense ? Don't play wide, don't use our athleticism, we don't counter, we aren't creative, we aren't good at set pieces.

The only thing we do is try to be fancy with passes and keep possession. Except we try way to hard and miss simple passes.






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A really big problem for the USMNT is no identity. Describe our offense ? Don't play wide, don't use our athleticism, we don't counter, we aren't creative, we aren't good at set pieces.


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“We practically only practiced fitness under Klinsmann," Lahm said, according to excerpts published in German newspaper Bild and translated into English by several outlets. "There was very little technical instruction and the players had to get together independently before the game to discuss how we wanted to play.”


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Lahm, a 27-year-old defender who has played more than 80 times for his country, also wrote, “All the players knew after about eight weeks that it was not going to work out with Klinsmann. The remainder of that campaign was nothing but limiting the damage."


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Players publicly criticized Klinsmann’s tactics, claiming they were too offensive and naïve, and Brazilian midfielder Zé Roberto said one of Klinsmann’s half-time talks toward the end of his reign consisted only of, “You have to score a goal.”




August 2011






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Wow what a shitshow. I cant figure this team out. Win at Mex. Win at Italy. Draw at Russia. Lose at Jamaica. Lose at Honduras. Squeak one out in fricking Antigua. It's like Les Miles disease is spreading to all of my teams.

- Some of our guys looked gassed 15 minutes into the game. Chandler looked to have no legs under him the entire time.
- The subs made no sense. GAM was one of the few busting his arse out there and he is taken off while Chandler and Jozy are dying it seems.
- To me both goals came from lazy defending. Lazy defending/lack of hustle led to the first corner. And then lord knows what the hell was going on in the second goal
- I like many praised starting Cameron and Omar, but in hindsight on the road in Honduras doesnt seem like the right place to try that out. We look disjointed most of the game in the back
- Holding possession continues to be a major problem

TL;DR. We didnt deserve to win. Honduras was clearly the better team yesterday and that depresses me






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Yikes





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Just for a laugh. Bob Bradley is undefeated in WCQ, If I'm not mistaking 3-0 ?





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Wow what a shitshow. I cant figure this team out. Win at Mex. Win at Italy. Draw at Russia. Lose at Jamaica. Lose at Honduras. Squeak one out in fricking Antigua. It's like Les Miles disease is spreading to all of my teams.


Remember that the win vs. Mexico came in stoppage time. The first 90 minutes looked like last week's Canada game.

The draw at Russia looked a lot like yesterday's game (we were outclassed on the day.) The difference was two wonder volleys from outside the 18. I don't think you can produce those consistently.

I honestly can't recall the Italy game, but framing the other results really takes the shine off of our "successes."






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I agree. I really cant recall how many games under Jurgy I watched and came away impressed.





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So is Danny Williams the player we thought he would/could be? How many more matches like the one we saw yesterday does it take until Jurgen just stops playing him? When was the last time he really impressed? I wonder if it has anything to do with him being "German."





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So is Danny Williams the player we thought he would/could be?

not that it really matters now, but i'm pretty sure williams is the only germerican who never got an extended look with the german youth setups. he played a few matches for the u15 squad and that was all.






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He's terrible if he has to move anywhere other than a central defensive position. If you want to play him, leave him where he belongs and see how he looks. If he doesn't impress, stop calling him.





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That seems to be the case with all of our midfield/wide players.





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I didn't think Williams was that bad, really.

At least he didn't give the ball away Every. fricking. Time like Jones did.






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Sheep that Mexico win came in the 72' minute when Jurgy brought Brek Shea in and he was the catalyst to the whole play, megging a Mexico defender then passing it in to Boyd. When Shea gets fit, he is a legit threat out wide on the left





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He was terrible.





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I don't think he was terrible. He stopped a few Honduran passing sequences yesterday in the first half. He just didn't do anything else, which is better than Jones's classic "Stop, try the Xavi half turn at half speed, lose the ball" move he did five times yesterday.

I don't rate him that highly as a player, but he was clearly a safe selection. He was playing in the hole where Bradley should have played, and where Bradley usually plays for Roma. I originally thought positioning Bradley this way might work, because he could have provided more service to our forwards in an advanced position, much like Espinoza did to us yesterday. Instead Bradley remained on an island up field because Jones and Williams can't distribute the ball. Then when he dropped deeper to get the ball, nobody was in the middle of the field to receive the ball.

In essence, Williams and Jones should not play together at the same time. Something we figured out last October.



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Jones's classic "Stop, try the Xavi half turn at half speed, lose the ball" move he did five times yesterday.

On the plus side, he didn't follow any of those with a sloppy tackle resulting in a card like he usually does. That's a plus...right?






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Yeah, there's no point in Jones and Williams playing together. All it does is make our midfield shitty with the ball and doesn't make the defense any better because Jones is usually out of position.


Why was he taking corners yesterday, btw?






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I don't rate him that highly as a player, but he was clearly a safe selection.


He's just like Edu... A man marker/possession disrupter. Nothing wrong with that... There's certainly a place in the game for it, you just have to temper the expectations for that role. A good game is essentially lots of tackles without getting sent off or committing fouls in shitty situations. That's a really hard thing to quantify, though, and it's rarely pretty. I really have little issue with Williams or Edu. When allowed to play that role, they generally do it well. When asked to do more, they (shockingly) look out of their element.

Jones, on the other hand.... I don't know what the frick he's doing or even trying to do. Yes, he made a brilliant pass... But could Zusi (or Feilhaber or Bradley) not have made a similar pass in a similar position? Apart from that one pass, Jones was a wandering, erratic disaster.

That Jurgen rates him as highly as he does Bradley and Dempsey really speaks volumes.






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