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CarrolltonTiger
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Liberals bristle quickly when their biases and inconsistency are openly exposed.


I'm not a liberal and I think you are clueless about our civic society based upon what you write.

Now that I begin to understand what you are bitching about, it is clear you don't grasp the power to pardon, reprive, commute is one of the least limited powers granted to a chief executive. Governors can generally pardon when and for what reasons they choose. You don't like it vote them out of office.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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public policy should not be based on the liturgical calendar of the catholic church

You mean we won't get off for Mardi Gras?








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hawkster
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You mean we won't get off for Mardi Gras?


Yes, you will, but the ACLU may file suit to have it named "That Tuesday" instead of "Fat Tuesday."






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Bmath
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Now that I begin to understand what you are bitching about, it is clear you don't grasp the power to pardon, reprive, commute is one of the least limited powers granted to a chief executive. Governors can generally pardon when and for what reasons they choose. You don't like it vote them out of office.


So my reading of the OP is that Catholic Bishops are asking the governor to spare someone from execution and he is mad about it.

People, not just religious leaders, ask government leaders to spare people all the time.

How does not executing someone infringe on civil liberties? If the person is still kept away from the public then does it truly effect you?

Personally, I think you just have an agenda against the Catholic Church.






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uway
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No mangers or menorahs or korans, but the potential modification of court-ordered sentences for criminal offenses strictly for religious reasons is a "no comment" issue?


It seems you are saying that the National Civil Liberties Union should support civil liberties by attempting to shite on a governor's use of his most basic civil liberty.

not sure if serious






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ragincajun03
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catholic bishops' attempted interference in the legal system


Which one? The one today where they are trying to delay the execution of a piece of crap who should have been offed a long time ago? Or the one where they covered up the molestation and rape of altar boys to avoid having their brethren face justice for such crimes?






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hawkster
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So my reading of the OP is that Catholic Bishops are asking the governor to spare someone from execution and he is mad about it.


The bishops want to spare the murderer because the execution is scheduled for Ash Wednesday, a day that begins the church's period of repentance and reconciliation.

Bishops Ask Jindal To Stop Ash Wednesday Execution

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How does not executing someone infringe on civil liberties? If the person is still kept away from the public then does it truly effect you?


Is the ACLU OK with a governor exercising his powers of life and death of convicted murderers based on the church calendar? If he publicly denied a commutation appeal solely because the crime occurred on a particular church's holy day, would the ACLU keep quiet?

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Personally, I think you just have an agenda against the Catholic Church.


I have no arguments with the church. I can see how they came up with the request and see it as being consistent with their core beliefs. I just wonder why watchdogs who fight to keep religion out of government did not speak up regarding a particular church's attempt to modify public policy based on its individual dogma.








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hawkster
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It seems you are saying that the National Civil Liberties Union should support civil liberties by attempting to shite on a governor's use of his most basic civil liberty.

not sure if serious


So the power of one of 50 elected officials to pardon or commute sentences is a "civil liberty?" I hope you're not serious.






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Bmath
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Which one? The one today where they are trying to delay the execution of a piece of crap who should have been offed a long time ago? Or the one where they covered up the molestation and rape of altar boys to avoid having their brethren face justice for such crimes?


Never mind anything good the church has ever done. Who cares if it is the largest charitable organization in the world.

True a few representatives made some major mistakes, but just because I am catholic doesn't mean that I support abuse.

I am proud of the countless ministries that help the sick and impoverished all over the world.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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It seems you are saying that the National Civil Liberties Union should support civil liberties by attempting to shite the People's use of their most basic civil liberty.



"...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

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hawkster
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It seems you are saying that the National Civil Liberties Union should support civil liberties by attempting to shite the People's use of their most basic civil liberty.



"...to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

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Does petitioning the government for your side of an argument shite your opponent's use of the right to petition the government?

As I've said, if a church petitioned to impose the death penalty on a criminal based on the timing of the church calendar, I don't believe that the ACLU would be silent for very long in their petition to deny the government's right to impose sentences based on church dogma.

(Oh, and uway thanks you for trying to cover his ludicrous statement, now you owe him a thank you for giving you another avenue to deflect the discussion).



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TN Bhoy
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Liberals bristle quickly when their biases and inconsistency are openly exposed.




Did you just call me a liberal?

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hawkster
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Did you just call me a liberal?


Once someone declares themselves a soccer fan, there is no need for further name-calling.






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