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drake20 
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:34 am to Jester)
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I don't look at him like a championship piece unless he takes less money somewhere. An inefficient, volume-shooting PG making near max money has all the makings of a mediocre team for years to come.
agreed
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Jester 
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:50 am to drake20)
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what is this?
Something that Houston does to ensure that other teams don't match when they grossly overpay for mediocre restricted free agents.
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TigerinATL
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:51 am to drake20)
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Poison Pills
what is this?
It's how the Rockets got Asik and Jeremy Lin this offseason. I don't remember the exact numbers but for both players they offered basically 3 years $24 million. Since both were 2nd round picks or undrafted players with only a few years in the league, their teams could match the deal, BUT
1) The deal has to be priced at the MLE for the first 2 years but can escalate after that
2) For the home team the cap hit is the deal as structured.
3) For the poaching team the cap hit is the average of the deal.
So the home team would have had cap hits something like $5/$5/$14 while the Rockets cap hit would be $8/$8/$8 In theory this helps the home team, they only need the MLE available to keep their player and it forces the poaching team to have cap space rather than just the MLE to make an offer. In practice we see it actually makes it harder for the home team to keep a player and easier for the poaching team to acquire a player because once that contract escalates the home team is stuck paying max salary for a mid level player.
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drake20
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:56 am to TigerinATL)
thanks. 
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TigerinATL
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 4:02 pm to TigerinATL)
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Michael McNamara ?@McNamara247
Just told by very credible source that Bucks are now more open 2 moving B. Jennings than ever before. Gauging the league for possible offers
I know lots of people don't consider McNamara very credible, but Jennings hired this agent specifically to rattle the cage so Milwaukee doing a value check isn't all that surprising.
MM really wants him some Jennings though
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My max offer would be: Vasquez, Lopez, and 2014 1st for Jennings and Dalembert. Take it or leave it Milwaukee
Way too much. If that's what it takes now I'd wait to try and get him cheaper via S&T in the offseason.
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WB504
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 4:24 pm to TigerinATL)
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My max offer would be: Vasquez, Lopez, and 2014 1st for Jennings and Dalembert. Take it or leave it Milwaukee
I don't want to give up any picks in next years draft especially if it's supposed to be deep. Maybe this years draft though if it has some type of protection on it.
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drake20
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 4:50 pm to TigerinATL)
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Way too much.
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Jester
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 5:37 pm to TigerinATL)
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My max offer would be: Vasquez, Lopez, and 2014 1st for Jennings and Dalembert
Thankfully, Dell isn't dumb.
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drake20
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 5:49 pm to Jester)
40% ball dominant point guard. and expensive...no thanks
...it would be making a move just to make a move, imo
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THRILLHO
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:16 pm to drake20)
Yep. Would much rather keep Vasquez and spend the ~$10m we would save not extending Jennings on building a deep roster with competent players.
Replacements like:
Roberts --> Mo Williams
Aminu --> Corey Brewer
Lance Thomas --> Aminu
Rivers --> Brandon Rush or maybe a "splash" bench player like KMart for 2 years
+ keeping Vasquez and Lopez and the pick would be a much better way to spend the money.
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:25 pm to TigerinATL)
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My max offer would be: Vasquez, Lopez, and 2014 1st for Jennings and Dalembert. Take it or leave it Milwaukee
Way too much. If that's what it takes now I'd wait to try and get him cheaper via S&T in the offseason.
McNamara must not understand the art of negotiating, because that is a ludicrous offer. Especially considering that Jennings will want a huge raise. If I'm Milwaukee I can't accept that fast enough.
I will say that if they can get him to sign for something like 4/$32million, I can get behind some sort of Vasquez for Jennings move- but no picks. Small markets need every pick they get.
But if Jennings wants $10million+, that is a waste of money. Why not extend Vasquez for $4-$6million per year and spend the savings on a good third guard?
ETA- THRILLHO
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darryljames30
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:29 pm to THRILLHO)
I somewhat agree, #1 option should be a superstar if one would come here. Option 2 should be filling with good bench. Players. Actually like all the players you listed.
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drake20
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/5/13 at 6:35 pm to THRILLHO)
Mo Williams would be a great fit, imo.
...would much rather keep Vasquez and get a good backup guard.
then upgrade at SF and/or C through draft (hopefully), free agency, or trade, depending on whether or not we look to deal Lopez or Smith
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504Voodoo
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| re: Popular Hornets Trade/FA Target Brandon Jennings Signs New Agent (Posted on 2/6/13 at 12:04 pm to Jester)
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I'd say that pretty much guarantees he won't be a Buck or a Pelican next season. I don't look at him like a championship piece unless he takes less money somewhere. An inefficient, volume-shooting PG making near max money has all the makings of a mediocre team for years to come.
Stephon "Starberry Vaseline" Marbury Baby!
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