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EthanL
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you have shitty principles, then. why should i respect them or let them guide me in my life?


It's exhaustive. This isn't the topic






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That post was in jest in response to sfp's post. But I would like you to answer my question. Whose principles should be implemented at the government level?





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This isn't the topic

i thought that WAS the topic? you've been talking over and over about YOUR principles and how the rights that protect art/speech need to take a backseat to them. well, if i call your principles shitty, then that invalidates your argument

here's the point: principles change with the man. you like your principles b/c they are your principles. i like my principles and don't like your principles. which set should guide us? can you objectively tell me why your principles are superior to mine?






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EthanL
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That post was in jest in response to sfp's post. But I would like you to answer my question. Whose principles should be implemented at the government level?


It is obviously not possible to implement principles across the board at a government level. Individually, we have to use our own 'moral compass' as a guide, even though we have been provided some maps. Some would say the Constitution is one such map, others the Koran, still others, the bible.

The point is, we cannot stubournly, without any forethought, just consider these rights as absolutes, in view if the excesses and extreme see they've caused.






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Individually, we have to use our own 'moral compass' as a guide, even though we have been provided some maps. Some would say the Constitution is one such map

what fricking idiot says this?

the constitution is a framework for our federal government. the first 10 amendments were included to specifically note that certain things would be protected from government intrusion

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we cannot stubournly, without any forethought, just consider these rights as absolutes, in view if the excesses and extreme see they've caused.

and why the frick not?






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The point is, we cannot stubournly, without any forethought, just consider these rights as absolutes, in view if the excesses and extreme see they've caused.


No, no, no, Ethan - that's where progressives are wrong. NO right is absolute, first of all. Second, if a person yells "Fire!" in a crowded theater, then we punish THAT guy for reckless endangerment.

If it happens several times, we start posting security/police near the doors and the exits, if 50 guys yell "FIRE!", and people start to get hurt/killed, then we start charging those guys with manslaughter. If we can prove more, charge them with murder.

We DON'T respond by taking away the rights of people who DIDN'T do this. Otherwise we are at the mercy of the lawless and allowing them to dictate what we can and cannot do.

Flawed logic is flawed logic, but at least you're thinking, my young brother...






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EthanL
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and why the frick not


The law of the land, is that you can abort a baby. It's up for debate though right?






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Ace Midnight
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The law of the land, is that you can abort a baby. It's up for debate though right?


That is an inferred right, though, Ethan. The right to free speech, assemble, the press and bear arms are explicit - therefore less subject to debate.






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EthanL
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That is an inferred right, though, Ethan. The right to free speech, assemble, the press and bear arms are explicit - therefore less subject to debate.


Right. So based on what the Constitution says, based on the latitude we have implied on it, we have created obscene movies, amassed powerful guns, told people its ok to say whatever is on their minds, even killed babies.

These 'rights' are nothing more than gateways of abuse and excess. We have been entrusted with them for 225 years, and things have only gotten worse






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Ace Midnight
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These 'rights' are nothing more than gateways of abuse and excess. We have been entrusted with them for 225 years, and things have only gotten worse



Since you feel this strongly, do you believe that legislation can fix this, Constitutional amendments are necessary, or can we fix this at home with our kids?






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EthanL
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Since you feel this strongly, do you believe that legislation can fix this, Constitutional amendments are necessary, or can we fix this at home with our kids?


It has to start at home






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These 'rights' are nothing more than gateways of abuse and excess.


So be it. One mans excess is another's pleasure.

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We have been entrusted with them for 225 years, and things have only gotten worse


What's worse? Is screen violence any worse than public executions or lynchings?






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We have been entrusted with them for 225 years, and things have only gotten worse

so you'd rather live in 1776 than today?

i'd rather live today in lower-middle class America rather than be a European king in 1776






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