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CarrolltonTiger 
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:35 am to meauxjeaux2)
A belief that if you give them a nice environment they behave better?
Economic/social justice? Why are their medical and other services as good as those that pay?
More money for contractors and the bureaucracy?
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jcole4lsu 
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:42 am to CarrolltonTiger)
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A belief that if you give them a nice environment they behave better?
Economic/social justice? Why are their medical and other services as good as those that pay?
More money for contractors and the bureaucracy?
ive heard the first two argued extensively by misguided bleeding hearts. i think we all know the 3rd is the correct answer.
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CarrolltonTiger
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New Orleans
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:44 am to jcole4lsu)
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ive heard the first two argued extensively by misguided bleeding hearts. i think we all know the 3rd is the correct answer.
I think it is all three, you need a combination of the idealistic progressive, the radical elements for social change and the corrupt to get something like this accomplished.
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mmcgrath
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:52 am to meauxjeaux2)
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How nice should public housing be?
Doesn't look like too much... some basic appliances. Can't really tell what the floor and counter tops are made of. They make some nice look alike materials nowadays.
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double d 
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Cinderblock walls and concrete floors
I'll at least give them Chinese drywall in the apartment.
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Zach
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:58 am to meauxjeaux2)
I am philosophically opposed to the concept of public housing. But, if it must exist, I'd go with this as top end...
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:02 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Yes, that is why they were maintained so well!
They were - in the 40s-60s. Once they integrated them, the maintenance budgets were SLASHED. No more inspections, no more maintainence. Much like the public schools.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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jcole4lsu
Virginia Fan
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Member since Nov 2007
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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They were - in the 40s-60s. Once they integrated them, the maintenance budgets were SLASHED. No more inspections, no more maintainence. Much like the public schools.
in other words: throw more money at the problem, thatll fix it
spoken like a true libtard
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WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:16 pm to jcole4lsu)
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in other words: throw more money at the problem, thatll fix it
Wow.
How about this, if you have infrastructure, maintain it.
I guess you think road maintenance is just "throwing money at the problem"?
The public housing in New Orleans, for the white people at least, was just fine. It was well maintained and well funded. As soon as they integrated, maintenance budgets were slashed. Do you not invest any money in the maintenance of your home? If the state owns housing, is it better to just let it crumble in ruin?
In my high school in the 80s, you could tell there had been no investment in the physical plant or equipment since the 50s-60s. Is just maintaing your assests just "throwing money" at them?
You've just got an agenda that you can't see around.
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CarrolltonTiger
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
44158 posts
| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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They were - in the 40s-60s. Once they integrated them, the maintenance budgets were SLASHED. No more inspections, no more maintainence. Much like the public schools.
That is total BS.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
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jcole4lsu
Virginia Fan
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Member since Nov 2007
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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As soon as they integrated, maintenance budgets were slashed
slashed or simply not increased enough to meet the new requirements? at some point you cant just keep spending money on it.
and if they live their for free or nearly free, why cant they maintain it themselves?
are they absolved of ALL personal responsibility?
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WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:28 pm to jcole4lsu)
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slashed or simply not increased enough to meet the new requirements?
Basically cut back to the level that black housing projects were at - just like the public schools after integration.
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why cant they maintain it themselves?
I don't let my tenants maintain my property for me, I take that responsibility on myself.
I notice a lot of people want to jump in on this topic often but don't really have any memory of, or know anyone who lived in projects in the 50s and 60s. Basically they approach it through emotion.
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beaverfever 
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Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:30 pm to meauxjeaux2)
I think for each member of the family they should get 1,000 extra square feet. If you have 5+ in the family then you should be entitled to a private pool. 8+ gets you a guest house.
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dewster 
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TN
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:31 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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More money for contractors and the bureaucracy
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jcole4lsu
Virginia Fan
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Member since Nov 2007
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:32 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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I don't let my tenants maintain my property for me, I take that responsibility on myself.
what a laughable response.
your tenants are actually paying you though - thats the difference. we are paying for the house AND the maintenance. its not unreasonable to expect the tenant to pay for one of them.
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CarrolltonTiger
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:32 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Basically cut back to the level that black housing projects were at - just like the public schools after integration.
What level is that? You have a link?
I had a contractor client who did HANO work continually, it was very, very lucrative for him. The Federal government was funding public housing not the evil white Southener. It was largely administered by Black Officials since 1968. He was paid well above scale tor HANO work compared to other projects. There is no reason to believe your claims.
You are totally full of crap.
The dysfunctioanls tear the shite out of those places. I also represented many land lords that took section 8, the stories of Negro lifestyles and respect for the property of others are shocking.
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RollTide4Ever 
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:33 pm to jcole4lsu)
What gets overlooked is the fat juicy building contracts that goes to construction companies for this. Sort of like the biggest supporters of EBT is 7/11 types.
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Tactical1 
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| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:33 pm to dewster)
Public Housing should be about as presentable as an MRE.
While I do like certain MRE's they are not very pleasing to the eye.
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CarrolltonTiger
LSU Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
44158 posts
| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:37 pm to RollTide4Ever)
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What gets overlooked is the fat juicy building contracts that goes to construction companies for this. Sort of like the biggest supporters of EBT is 7/11 types.
Exactly, to suggest the federal government is ****rdly with construction and maintenance funds is absurd.
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WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
11072 posts
| re: How nice should public housing be? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:38 pm to jcole4lsu)
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its not unreasonable to expect the tenant to pay for one of them.
I don't want my tenants working on, or hiring low-bid illegal immigrants to work on my properties.
If you think that's laughable, I'd hate to see what shape your assests are in.
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