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LSUTigers00884
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


Sorry my temper has been shortened by all these rantards.





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wahoocs
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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There are no TM7 type of CBs. The guy is an original. You might live out your days without seeing another CB of that type and caliber.


Actually, he didn't do very much from the corner position.

Just saying.






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H-Town Tiger
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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How would we know? When was the last time we lost a game because of a key sack? Perhaps our QB held the ball so long because someone else's CB had our guy covered. When was the last time someone else's corner had a key interception or pass defended?


Good lord, you are way over thinking this. Even if Noel Ellis Jr turns into a superstar at A&M it is doubtful that him and him alone is the difference in a game between LSU and A&M.

We also have no way of knowing that he would have the same impact at LSU or that whoever he would be replaced by makes the same play.

We can't take everyone. We have the states top player whos is a CB, plus a better looking prospect from OOS. Even if RR does not qualify, we still have guys from last year like Thomas and Raymond that i think were recruited as CB's.






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lsusteve1
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


Short answer.....no





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Penrod
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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Actually, he didn't do very much from the corner position.


I don't know what you were watching. Even if you take away his takeaways TM7 was an excellent CB. With them, he was one of the all time greats. He did it at corner, at nickel, and on special teams. If they'd played him at LB or WR he'd have done it there, too.






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lsugradman
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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I wouldn't want his dad anywhere near our program, if it means we lose a decent player, so be it






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wahoocs
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I don't know what you were watching


Every game.

Multiple times.

Returning punts and special teams added to his accomplishments from the nickel and dime.

He was a great tackler for his size, and always made a play for the ball.

He was least effective at the corner position, in comparison to everything else he contributed. And he definitely didn't match up with opposing teams No. 1 receivers.

If anything, he was more effective at safety, and actually played there due to injury.

You should probably rethink your position in this matter.






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Gravitiger
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Actually, he didn't do very much from the corner position.

Just saying.
Haha, sure he did.






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H-Town Tiger
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And he definitely didn't match up with opposing teams No. 1 receivers.


Gee, I wonder if that's because we had Patrick Peterson and Mo Claiborne?

His ability at CB has been som diminished it is now under rated. Now, he was nota shut down CB like PP or MC, but he was good, better than he is typically given credit for.






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OBUDan
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He's okay. A little stiff.





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LSU_Saints_Hornets
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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There are no TM7 type of CBs. The guy is an original. You might live out your days without seeing another CB of that type and caliber.


I can respect that comment






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DallasTiger45
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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Gee, I wonder if that's because we had Patrick Peterson and Mo Claiborne? His ability at CB has been som diminished it is now under rated. Now, he was nota shut down CB like PP or MC, but he was good, better than he is typically given credit for.


Cosign this entire post.






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NastyTiger
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Not in the least.





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wahoocs
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re: Are we going to regret not offering Noel Ellis


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Gee, I wonder if that's because we had Patrick Peterson and Mo Claiborne?

His ability at CB has been som diminished it is now under rated. Now, he was nota shut down CB like PP or MC, but he was good, better than he is typically given credit for.


Corner was his least effective position, not that his play there was poor. His hands were the best on the team. His size limited his value at the position, as well as his teammates limited his playing time there.

Definitely underrated as a corner, IMO. But, nowhere near what is being discussed by some in this thread.

The poster I replied to referenced his play at corner specifically, and this was his least valuable position. And I would put that before a board of qualified posters on the subject, and live with the results.






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H-Town Tiger
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I think you are splitting hairs. Tyrann Mathieu was not close to the best pure CB at LSU during his 2 years, suffice to say we will never see a player like him ever again.





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GFunk
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We aren't offering anyone else unless a big-fish wants to jump last minute.

Having said that, we will ride with an undersized class so we can open up EE spots for next year's class and oversign there.

I personally agree with the staff in that respect, because 2014 in-state is STACKED with bigtime difference makers at the collegiate level.

Guys like Willis, Robinson, Sims, Brumfield, Hootie, Dupre, Noil, Quinn and Fournette are just off the top of my head...






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wahoocs
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I think you are splitting hairs


That's why I used "actually", and "just saying" in my response.

His response was that I don't watch the games, and he re-affirmed his position, with no concession to the facts.

As you and I would agree, he was an underrated corner. It's hard to be underrated and the third best corner on your team, yet be the best that LSU has ever seen.

Don't you think?

I thought it was worth mentioning that most of his accolades came from positions outside of cornerback, but judging from the sample of replies, I should have just moved on to the next thread.






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deuce985
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I believe Ellis would've received an offer if his dad didn't open his big mouth.

My personal opinion is he's a bit overrated. I saw some camp videos on him and he didn't look like he had great hips to me. He got torched several times. It wasn't like a step either, it was juke-you-out-of-your-socks burnt...



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H-Town Tiger
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I hear, clearly his impact was not as a traditional starting CB. I really think in the NFL he will be used more as FS or nickle.





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Monk
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It's like 2 dumb guys passing in the night.





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