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Jumbeauxlaya
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But please, let's try to reserve our judgement for matches that matter.


We're not judging America's future in soccer on this.. we're judging this group based on what we expected from this group.






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Meursault
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Do you realize those Canadian players were MLS and fresh from college as well? Only difference is they are a degree worse than our talent.


This would be Canada's second match in 2 weeks. Don't you think playing even one match prior to this would help them build even the slightest cohesion?

And what was Canada's game? They weren't exactly taking it to us were they? No, they bunkered the frick out this match and knew they could walk out with a 0-0 scoreline. They didn't try to win this game. That does not mean US got outplayed.

Canada wasn't the better team tonight. Despite this being one of the best sides that Canada could put together with their pool.



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UASports23
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I think the US will play better next week. But, like I said they should've done better. A few factors played in the draw.





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thenry712
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Canada wasn't the better team, but it's not like the US created many opportunities. Hell DeRosario's shot early in the game was probably the closest anyone got to scoring.

Agudelo's growth isn't being stunted by MLS. Chivas USA just sucks. MLS isn't going to sell Juan for anything under his value. European teams (see Celtic, Stoke, Norwich with Kei Kamara) think that MLS is a league full players available for cheaper transfer fees than other leagues. MLS wants to keep its commodities until their valuation is met.

Brad Davis and Beckerman have been with their respective clubs for quite sometime now Bhoy, hardly journeyman.







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225bred
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Geez this board is so temperamental, this was an evaluation tool, nothing more...
We had the same ugly play and the same result with our A squad last time we played them. I'm not bent out of shape at all, I'm excited to see our 1's back in action next week






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WarSlamEagle
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This was an evaluation tool, nothing more...






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puffulufogous
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rather than doing traditional ten point player ratings I am just going to use the garbage scale.
Ex. Morales, morrow, beltran, evans, bruin, wondo, and davis are all unadulterated garbage. Put them in the trash can and never call them in again for any reason.

Feilhaber, GAM, and beckerdreads are all refuse. They have flashes of usefulness, but in general are not worth any significant playing time and should be discarded. Unfortunately beckerman and maybe GAM will get callups.

S Johnson, gonzalez, zusi, bedoya, and gatt are the only ones out there tonight that I would like to see more of. Bedoya and gatt both need a lot more polish, but I can see the upside. Particularly with gatt I appreciated his hustle and general discontent with mediocre bull shite abortion soccer. Zusi, bedoya, and gonzalez will get callups for backup roles, rightfully so.

Frankly I wasn't expecting a lot more from this game, but what most concerned me was the shift in tactics. Of course we started out trying to work the ball, but because of lack of general skill and hustle players got frustrated. After about 30 minutes we went into autpilot/sleepwalk mode. Then at about 65 minutes we actually started to close people down quickly as soon as they got the ball which frankly we should have done all game against a very pedestrian opponent. Some spaces started to open up but by then we were playing bob ball and nobody really gave a shite anymore.

Last rant, why was mix not even on the bench? It was pretty obvious that there was no central creativity, so we bring in feilhaber who lets be honest will never make any significant contribution the the national team. It would've been nice to see how mix would have fared and given him some more international playing time.







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UASports23
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Chivas owns Agudelo (budding US Star)....Mexicans own Chivas.....








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TN Bhoy
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Agudelo's growth isn't being stunted by MLS. Chivas USA just sucks. MLS isn't going to sell Juan for anything under his value.



And what is his value? He doesn't deserve a 6mill+ bid for him right now.

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Brad Davis and Beckerman have been with their respective clubs for quite sometime now Bhoy, hardly journeyman.




Journeyman in soccer = hard-worker, but will never get better than they are now, and they aren't anything special currently. I think that describes Davis and Beckerdreads well. I know that you like Davis because he plays for your shitty club, but c'mon, he just isn't good enough.






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thenry712
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In British English, a journeyman is a player who has represented many different clubs over his career.


I like Brad Davis because he's a good MLS player. I've even said on this site, that he's not international quality. He was second to DeRo in MVP voting in 2011 for a reason. I'm not even a big Dynamo fan.

Grow up.






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225bred
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Grow up.

wishful thinking






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cwil177
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Feilhaber, GAM, and beckerdreads are all refuse

Yeah... no. Feilhaber was the best player on the field at times, GAM saved our arse against Antigua and Barbuda, and even Beckerdreads has his moments.






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225bred
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Yeah... no. Feilhaber was the best player on the field at times, GAM saved our arse against Antigua and Barbuda, and even Beckerdreads has his moments.

this, espcially in regards to Feilhaber, he created multiple chances tonight and looked creative, one of our few bright spots imo






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thenry712
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I think Klinsmann's oft discussed tactical naïveté is beginning to show. I've lost count of the number of times he's completely murdered the formation and Starting XI. He's gotten bailed out in several friendlies with the extended allotment of subs, after some very lackluster performances in the first half of those games.

Typically national team managers use a set formation for their roster. Bob Bradley, aside from a horribly conceived 4-3-3 in Costa Rica, always used a empty bucket 4-4-2. Jogi Löw almost always employs a 4-2-3-1. England typically uses some form of a two striker system. Spain usually uses a variation of a 4-3-3 (be it the tiered 4-6-0 or an offshoot of 4-2-3-1)

Tonight Klinsmann went with a 4-4-2 without any speed on the flanks until Gatt and Bedoya came on. He's gone with the 4-3-3 without any width. He tried the popular 4-2-3-1 that turned into a 4-5-1 without any support for Jozy or Herculez Gomez, the lone forward up top.


As someone tweeted earlier...

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Only referring to hypocrisy w/ this tweet: when Klinsmann loses, it must be #MLS' fault, but when Bradley lost, it must be his fault. #USMNT


I like Klinsmann's ideas for US Soccer. However, so far in his actual job as a manager, he's been very average.



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puffulufogous
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Feilhaber was the best player on the field at times

against canada. I don't see him being a factor in the future for the squad, particularly if you are calling in the likes of zusi, klejstan, landon, bradley, jones, beckerman, etc. He isn't a better playmaker in the middle than bradley or dempsey. He isn't fast enough to be deployed as a wing. Not strong enough defensively to compete with jones or beckerman for that matter. Has some good experience and set up some important goals but will never be more than a second or third option.

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GAM saved our arse against Antigua and Barbuda

and he looked like GAM of the last decade tonight. Out of synch and not interested in providing a high work rate. Realistically, do you think he should start over gomez or jozy? I agree that he might provide a little life in a substitute role but I think giving him consideration for significant playing time just based on Antigua and Barbuda is a bit shortsighted.

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Beckerdreads has his moments.

the upside for beckerman is that he isn't going to lose a game for you as a holding midfielder. The downsides are that he doesn't offer any real offensive production other than spraying a few balls out the the wing and he isn't particularly athletic. Don't get me wrong he needs to be in the squad, but only as a caretaker for the last 20 minutes of a game or if jones or bradley are hurt/suspended.

Not saying these guys are worthless, I just don't think they are viable first choices.






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WarSlamEagle
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GAM's a substitute striker. He'll never be first choice...but I'd want what he can bring me off the bench.





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225bred
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I like Klinsmann's ideas for US Soccer. However, so far in his actual job as a manager, he's been very average.

So victories over Italy in Genoa, and against the gold medal Mexicans in Azteca with a severely depleted team are average? Not to mention he hasn't had MB, Deuce and LD on the pitch together hardly ever, I think Klinsmann is on the right track, but will ultimately be judged by the hex and beyond and it all starts next wednesday...






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WarSlamEagle
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gold medal Mexicans

We beat the Mexican senior team. The team that won gold was their U-23s, while we were at the house.






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225bred
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re: These United States of America vs. Our Hat (ESPN2, 8:11 CT)


Gotcha,well a W at Azteca is still impressive nonetheless.





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thenry712
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re: These United States of America vs. Our Hat (ESPN2, 8:11 CT)


Friendly results are great, but both of those results (as well as the Russian result) relied on players who came on as fourth used substitute or later. Friendly results also don't mean shite if we lose in San Pedro Sula next week.

ETA: Klinsmann wouldn't have been able to throw in Diskerud had we needed a goal against Russia in a competitive fixture. Same goes for Orozco-Fiscal and Terrence Boyd, the combo used in the Mexico victory.



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