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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:22 pm to VOR)
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They decided to do whatever they can to make sure healthcare providers delivered substandard care. You nailed it.
you can't lie, obamacare is going to do a great job of lowering the standard of medical care for many people
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Diamondawg 
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:47 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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you can't lie, obamacare is going to do a great job of lowering the standard of medical care for many people
Oh but he will
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VOR 
New Orleans Saints Fan
New Orleans
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33004 posts
| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:48 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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you can't lie
Huh?
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obamacare is going to do a great job of lowering the standard of medical care for many people
Now that proposition requires a tad more definition.
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SlowFlowPro
Stanford Fan
Equality is a circle, not a =
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/26/13 at 10:55 pm to VOR)
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Now that proposition requires a tad more definition.
i will just use one easy variable: access
the access to the top doctors will be limited. we are already seeing this with many top guys turning to boutique practices
losing access to doctors, let alone successful/great doctors, will lower the standard of care for those who lose access
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NC_Tigah 
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/27/13 at 6:39 am to VOR)
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Why yes, that is the precise goal. Obama, his advisers and the Democratic party got together and decided the standard of medical care in America is just too damned high. They decided to do whatever they can to make sure healthcare providers delivered substandard care. You nailed it.
Sadly, that is the truth.
The only question is to degree of intent.
I'd argue that unquestionably to some degree (perhaps considerably so), it was/is intentional.
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ljhog 
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Member since Apr 2009
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/27/13 at 9:54 am to nobodytooimportant)
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Do you think our care is really 50% better?
Yes. And not only is it better, but the innovations and advancements made by the American health care industry are responsible for the higher quality in the rest of the OECD countries.
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white perch
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 9:02 am to ljhog)
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Yes. And not only is it better, but the innovations and advancements made by the American health care industry are responsible for the higher quality in the rest of the OECD countries.
Plus, we only get better by pushing the boundries of what we can do. NICU is a perfect example. We can successfully care for increasingly premature infants that just 5-10 years ago would have had no chance.
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Champagne
New Orleans Saints Fan
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 10:36 am to CITWTT)
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In New York there is discussion of not paying the costs of cigarette users or obese people to save the system money. But we are not going to call the committee a "death panel" when they make the decision to deny health care.
No, it would be imprudent to call it "Death Panel".
But, yes, at some point, if we go to single-payer, it does seem that fatties and tobacco users are going to be denied some medical care.
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uway 
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 12:50 pm to Zed)
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The cost of government provide healthcare is going to have to go down, and with it standard of care. It's unavoidable.
Standard of care will go down b/c the inelastic supply of providers will be flat or reduced with much higher demand.
Also, many of the best doctors will leave the profession or remove themselves from the available pool for the same sorts of reasons that many of the best teachers remove themselves from the public system.
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HonoraryCoonass
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:12 pm to nobodytooimportant)
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the goal is actually is to no longer pay for a standard way higher than what we are receiving.
Shouldn't your line of thinking apply to taxes, too, and the piss-poor results from our education system?
This post was edited on 1/28 at 1:14 pm
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10888bge
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7120 posts
| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:14 pm to NC_Tigah)
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Increasingly, care characteristics and decisions are being determined by administrators devoid of any clinical background or training.
Obamacare furthers that.
Please remove head from your ass. The admins have always made the decisions, always will make the decisions. Friend of mine needs a PET scan to find out if her Lymph nodes have cancer, the admin of her insurance says they can't authorize it unles she has cancer??? Classic.
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Taxing Authority
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Houston
Member since Feb 2010
16713 posts
| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:21 pm to 10888bge)
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The admins have always made the decisions, always will make the decisions.
Not true. At all. Patients used to make all of their medical decisions. Of course, they used to pay the bill, so they had that power.
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Friend of mine needs a PET scan to find out if her Lymph nodes have cancer, the admin of her insurance says they can't authorize it unles she has cancer??? Classic.
When "someone else" is paying, "someone else" makes the rules. This a natural consequence of ceding responsibilty for one's own healthcare.
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white perch
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:28 pm to Taxing Authority)
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When "someone else" is paying, "someone else" makes the rules. This a natural consequence of ceding responsibilty for one's own healthcare.
and when the gov't gets enough people signed up on obamacare, they then get to make the decisions.
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junkfunky
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:33 pm to nobodytooimportant)
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Or maybe the standard of care in the US isn't really as good as you think it is, and the goal is actually is to no longer pay for a standard way higher than what we are receiving.
I agree that we pay too much for what we receive but that first part is wrong.
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BugAC
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Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
13805 posts
| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:42 pm to JJ27)
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Go to a top 100 hospital and receive care. Then go to a government run hospital and tell me which one has a higher standard of care. We've had government funded hospitals forever and generally they are horrible. What makes you want to see this quality of care across the board?
For Baton Rouge locals, just think of Earl K. Long hospital and how big of a shite hole that place was.
Tell me, would you rather go to Earl K. Long or Our Lady of the Lake? That's just at a local gov't level. Think of how shitty a federally run hospital would be.
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BugAC
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
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| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 1:44 pm to Taxing Authority)
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When "someone else" is paying, "someone else" makes the rules. This a natural consequence of ceding responsibilty for one's own healthcare.
Exactly, except these stupid bastards actually believe that by adding more non payers to the government healthcare system, this will somehow, increase quality of care. All while not adding a single doctor more to the staff.
This post was edited on 1/28 at 1:45 pm
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NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2003
40088 posts
| re: As far as medical care goes, I get the feeling that... (Posted on 1/28/13 at 2:15 pm to 10888bge)
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Please remove head from your ass. The admins have always made the decisions
 So silly on so many levels. Like they say to fecal transplant donors, thanks for the contribution.
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