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AlaTiger 
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 10:57 am to Rex)
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When and where did they admit that, because it's certainly not a part of anything you've linked or quoted
That is the whole point of her article. She is saying that to declare that it is just a glob of cells and not a human life on the one hand and then to turn around and be excited about the baby that you want on the other hand is an inconsistent position to take. She is calling for a ceasing of the charade and a shift in the philosophical argument from saying that it is just about choice to admitting that abortion is in fact the killing of a human life but that the reproductive freedom of the mother has a higher moral value. That is her whole point.
Did you read the article at all?
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buddhavista
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:00 am to los angeles tiger)
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His statement isn't true, because more women are against abortion now.
life news? really?
Pew just came out with the opposite information
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Women are slightly more likely than men to say abortion should be legal in all or most cases (55% vs. 52%).
Oh and btw, your math sucks. 24+26=60%, and 19+42=61%, so even your link proves my point.
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TK421
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:00 am to buddhavista)
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Society is not convincing them. They are convincing themselves!
Not true. We would not have evolved as a species if the natural instinct of mothers was to kill their offspring if their lives were going to be inconvenienced. Our culture has turned women against their natural maternal instincts.
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buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:02 am to TK421)
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Not true. We would not have evolved as a species if the natural instinct of mothers was to kill their offspring if their lives were going to be inconvenienced. Our culture has turned women against their natural maternal instincts.
the ability to easily rid yourself of a pregnancy is a relatively new phenomena. And birth rates in western countries are declining.
This post was edited on 1/24 at 11:03 am
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AlaTiger
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:10 am to buddhavista)
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the ability to easily rid yourself of a pregnancy is a relatively new phenomena. And birth rates in western countries are declining.
Ever read the Hippocratic Oath? Look at abortion and infanticide in the Roman Empire. It has been going on for a long time. Babies were placed in a situation of "exposure" after they were born if they were not wanted and it was morally acceptable.
All of that began to change around 2,000 ago and the relatively new phenomena is changing the value system back to what it once was. You can figure out on your own what brought the initial change and you can also probably figure out why the "new phenomena" has begun to occur since the 1960's.
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PuntBamaPunt 
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:23 am to AlaTiger)
A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.
House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."
“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.
Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.
Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it "blatantly unconstitutional" on Thursday.
“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“
The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico's state legislature.
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los angeles tiger
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:24 am to buddhavista)
Your reading skills are lacking. Read again.
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Women actually take a stronger pro-life view than men with 24 percent of American women wanting all abortions made illegal and 36 percent wanting almost all illegal, compared with 19 percent of men who want to ban all abortions and 42 percent of men who want to prohibit almost all.
24% of women want all abortions made illegal
19% of men want all abortions made illegal.
That is more women than men that want all abortions made illegal.
The poll was a CNN poll posted on Lifenews.
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buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:25 am to AlaTiger)
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Ever read the Hippocratic Oath? Look at abortion and infanticide in the Roman Empire. It has been going on for a long time. Babies were placed in a situation of "exposure" after they were born if they were not wanted and it was morally acceptable.
All of that began to change around 2,000 ago and the relatively new phenomena is changing the value system back to what it once was. You can figure out on your own what brought the initial change and you can also probably figure out why the "new phenomena" has begun to occur since the 1960's.
you are projecting.
Abortion and infantacide have been around for a long time, but the ability to discretely go get a pill and no longer be pregnant is really new. And this is changing the way people think about it.
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Tiger at Law
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:32 am to Rex)
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Nazi Germany killed THIKING, FEELING persons. There... you just lost the philosophical argument as well.
And fetuses don't think or feel....interesting 
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asurob1 
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:34 am to los angeles tiger)
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24% of women want all abortions made illegal
19% of men want all abortions made illegal.
That is more women than men that want all abortions made illegal.
The poll was a CNN poll posted on Lifenews.
boy you're stretching to find something positive in that poll aren't you.
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Roaad
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:46 am to AlaTiger)
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Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss.
So a boss/subordinate relationship alters an individuals access to basic human rights?
Did it revert back to 1861 when I wasn't looking?
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Kashonly
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:26 pm to AlaTiger)
awesome legal argument
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TIGRLEE
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:50 pm to AlaTiger)
Think about this..
We live in a place where it's legal to kill and unborn baby.
Kill an unborn bald eagle and see what happens to you.
Human and a fricking bird.
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Jake88 
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:51 pm to Broketec)
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A fetus is a fetus. A baby is a baby.
A non-autonomous entity =/= a baby.
And Liberals who are pro choice (the "they" you reference in your thread title) aren't killing anyone, let alone babies, unless they are actually performing the abortion themselves.
Steaming pile of rhetoric is what this is.
Steaming pile of rationalization is what this is.
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Brodeur 
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:09 pm to Jake88)
It just baffles me that someone would support abortion. It makes me feel sick thinking about it. To endorse it is beyond me.
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Poodlebrain
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12890 posts
| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:28 pm to Rex)
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Ethics favors the person, not the non-person.
Ethics does not have the ability to choose. People make choices based on their ethics. And ethics evolve over time. I'm still waiting for someone to reconcile why slavery is wrong because one human should not have control over another, but abortion is okay although females are granted the ultimate control over humans in the womb.
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A "human life" is not a person
A dog is not a person either, but we have laws against killing dogs. Louisiana laws define homocide as the killing of a human being not the killing of a person. Why is that?
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IceTiger 
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:36 pm to joshnorris14)
The parasite argument is the stupidest argument ever actualized by logic...
It grossly assumes that the child does not contribute to the relationship.
In any relationship there is give and take, and for mom to suffer through psyche crushing stretch marks as an excuse to cut out a child is ridiculous.
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PRK
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| re: Pro-Abortionists Finally Admitting They are Killing Babies. And they don't care. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:46 pm to AlaTiger)
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How can anyone think that that Pro-Choicers care anything at all about children?
I want to kill your babies and take your Christ out of Christmas along with your guns and turn you gay and make you join a union! In California! Boo!
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