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BugAC
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What day completely changed the war and who were the leaders behind it?


I think it was a series of days.

Hitler's choice of pushing most of his troops to the eastern front, and being defeated in Stalingrad was a major turning point. Then couple that with the successful landing of the allies in Normandy sealed Hitler's fate.
Hitler was spread too thin, and the bulk of his forces were in the east.
Also, Hitler firing Rommel, perhaps his greatest general, shows just how shitty of a military leader Hitler was.



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Breesus
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His "countrymen" started a war they couldn't win and got their asses kicked and their homeland destroyed.


Wrong. They peacefully petitioned for the right to leave the union, the north realized that they can't survive by itself and refused to recognize the rights of the states of the south so they invaded to restore the union.




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Tom288
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I agree that he was getting beat by Russians but how were the British getting along before us?



You mean the little Battle of Britain that they won?

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What day completely changed the war and who were the leaders behind it?


Have you ever heard of the Battle of Stalingrad or the Battle of Kursk?






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TigerFanInSouthland
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His "countrymen" started a war they couldn't win and got their asses kicked and their homeland destroyed. Sherman's intensity mauled his combatant "countrymen" and crippled civilian ability to support his combatant "countrymen." Sherman helped shorten the war. He did his job.


By killing women and children? By completely pillaging cities?






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BTHog
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Wrong. They peacefully petitioned for the right to leave the union, the north realized that they can't survive by itself and refused to recognize the rights of the states of the south so they invaded to restore the union.


that's quite a history rewrite there.






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THEdeathvalley
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Napoleon got beaten and exiled twice. That sure is great.





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Celery
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Napoleon got beaten and exiled twice. That sure is great.


I think most Military Leaders get lose eventually. He did have the whole of Europe against him. And parts of the Mid East and North Africa. And revolutionized warfare.



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Darth_Vader
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Hitler was gawd awful as a military leader. As a union member and later as a leader he was however a great speaker. The military choices HE made cost him, if only he had listened to his advisers.


Exactly. There were many great military minds leading the Wehrmacht during WWII but Hitler was not one of them. If you want to know the real reason the German's came so close to bringing Europe under it's banner it was due to men like Heinz Guderian, Gerd von Rundstedt, Walther von Reichenau, Erwin Rommel, Fedor von Bock, and Erich von Manstein just to name a few that were behind the success and later the fact the Germans held out as long as they did against overwhelming odds.






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Jim Rockford
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I'll say this for the Japanese and Germans. They got their asses kicked and moved on. (Some) Southerners are still butthurt 148 years later.





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BeaverPRO
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Seriously, frick that terrorist. He's an embarrassment to American generals for the way he treated his own countrymen.

So the fact that he was one of the greatest military minds does nothing for you? All great leaders knew what they had to do and stopped at nothing to achieve their goal! Sherman is no different, except for the fact that he was under the leadership of the President, and not acting to accomplish his own agenda. Atilla would slaughter his own generals if they told him "No," same with Napoleon. The fact that he killed his own people is a mute point.






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TigerFanInSouthland
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You mean the little Battle of Britain that they won?


One battle.

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Have you ever heard of the Battle of Stalingrad or the Battle of Kursk?


Two battles.

How many decisive battles did the American forces win?

Bottom line is they both realized that they couldn't win without our help. Not saying that they didn't do their part but without us I doubt they could've won.






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Celery
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I'll say this for the Japanese and Germans. They got their asses kicked and moved on. (Some) Southerners are still butthurt 148 years later.


Good point. Not many Germans reminisce over "the good ole days" of Nazi Germany.






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BTHog
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Genghis Kahn NEVER lost a battle, let alone a war




look at the area he conquered.

No one else is even close






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Froman
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Seriously, frick that terrorist. He's an embarrassment to American generals for the way he treated his own countrymen.








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Celery
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He didn't conquer all that





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Tom288
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One battle.


Jesus, you don't know shite.

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Two battles.

How many decisive battles did the American forces win?



Two battles...just two battles. frick me.

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Bottom line is they both realized that they couldn't win without our help. Not saying that they didn't do their part but without us I doubt they could've won.



And why do you doubt that? Go ahead, I'd love to hear your evidence.






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Breesus
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[
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TigerFanInSouthland


Serious question :

Have you taken a history class outside of high school?






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Froman
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I'll say this for the Japanese and Germans. They got their asses kicked and moved on. (Some) Southerners are still butthurt 148 years later.


To be honest, the reason Southerners are "butthurt" has a lot to do with the fact that the South was skullfricking the North on the battlefield and just ran out of guys, and more importantly, competent generals.






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Spaceman Spiff
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Lol. We have such inflated egos. The Russian winter and the choice to defend rather than conquer Italy lost him the war, not us.


Partially correct... His mistake was opening too many fronts -had he not hit Russia until GB was taken, things could have been very different. Which leads me to another mistake - switching from hitting airbases/radar sites to civilian targets. The RAF was reeling during the BoB, but the tactics are what cost them. Would have to say what in the hell did you just say about Italy? The last time I checked, Italy was occupied - but conquer? As you recall, Italy was an ally of Germany then until they switched - by then, the U. S. Had taken Sicily and was getting ready to invade Italy...so not quite sure as to what you were saying...

Those mistakes, combined with the questionable use of some of his assets are what cost them...






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FGCU Gator
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By killing women and children? By completely pillaging cities


Total war. Sherman said something to the effect of "war should be brutal, but short." Break the enemies will completely. It was awful, but helped shorten the war and save even more lives






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