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RCDfan1950 
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:13 am to CptRusty)
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Thankfully hydraulic fracturing doesn't even come close to "effecting all life on earth"
Well, Cpt., if Obama and the Greenies are able to implement their delusional policies and severely curtail energy production, it most certainly will affect "all life on earth". Our global dependence on the complex economic and logistical systems which support life and prosperity, are just like a bulldozer. A lot of power...but if one little wire breaks...just a chunk of steel.
Our techo-energy sources will radically change in the near future, but it will be fossil fuels - wisely employed - that can maintain societal stability and build the bridge to those new technologies. If Obama et al uses energy maliciously, creating a 'crisis' for ideological gain...they they are likely to get a REAL crisis dumped in all of our laps. Already is for them folk losing their farms.
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CptRusty 
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:19 am to RCDfan1950)
You know what I meant.
The implication in Mo's post was that fracing was potentially so dangerous that it could "effect all life on earth" (presumably in a bad way  )
Just had to laugh at the dramatics of that...
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Willie Stroker
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:33 am to mograyback)
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This documentary tonight was a rebuttal, an attack on a poorly made and inaccurate documentary.. nothing more.
It may have escaped you that Gasland was heralded by the Left and much of the media. That "poorly made and inaccurate documentary" received many awards including:
2010 Environmental Media Award for Best Documentary Feature
2010 Sundance Film Festival Special Jury Prize
2010 Big Sky Documentary Film Festival Artistic Vision award
2010 Thin Line Film Festival Audience Award
2010 Yale Environmental Film Festival Grand Jury Prize
2010 Sarasota Film Festival Special Jury Prize
2011 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Directing for Nonfiction Programming (Josh Fox)
It was nominated in 2011 for the Academy Award for Best Documentary, losing out to another anti-capitalist flick in the end.
So in order to contribute to this topic, attempting to find common ground by degrading the quality of Gasland will not help distract attention from your previously posted reactionary and baseless claim that,"Anyone that thinks fracking is 'okay' is in denial. Denial fueled by the money and way of life that it affords them."
If you want to fight that intellectual battle, roll up your sleeves and give it your best shot. But don't run away now that you may have gotten your foot stuck in your mouth.
Perhaps its time to recognize your thinking errors and how you have allowed yourself to be misled by simple, correctable thinking errors. What are some of the various massive conspiracies in the public domain that you buy into? I'll list a few that I'm aware of. Sandy Hook Shooting, Aurora Theater Shooting, WTC was a controlled demolition, JFK assassinated by banking cabal, and I'm sure several others.
The common theme is that your willingness to buy into enough of them enabled you to unwittingly cross a threshold where your default thinking that one complicated, massive, and sinister conspiracy could be successfully executed in near-perfect secrecy, with near-perfect precision. Once your vulnerable mind was taken there, it suggested to you that many such nefarious schemes are possible. The thread that weaves them all together is a mutually supportive delusion.
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GumboPot
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:40 am to CptRusty)
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Thankfully hydraulic fracturing doesn't even come close to "effecting all life on earth"
A strong argument could be made that fracking has had a huge positive effect on human life on earth. Consider this. Fracking has helped to cause a glut of energy on the natural gas market thus lowering the price of methane. Natural gas is used to fix nitrogen in the manufacturing of fertilizers. Fertilizers help the farms to grow crops around the world and in turn feed the children of the world.
By killing fracking you are starving children around the world by making food more expensive.
As much as the environmentalist hate O&G, they are surrounded by it and consume products from the O&G on a constant basis everyday; food, computers, cars, roads, houses, etc.
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CptRusty
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:41 am to GumboPot)
oh god dammit you all know what I meant 
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TigerDog83
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:44 am to GumboPot)
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computers
Yeah, they would really have a hard time on their websites without the oil and gas used to produce the plastics made in cell phones and computers........
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rsande2
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:03 am to Mike78)
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Oh and I hate Chesapeak BTW but thats a whole other topic.
+1
Encana isn't much better though in all honesty....
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DonChowder
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 9:34 am to RCDfan1950)
Wow. I thought this thread was dead as of yesterday afternoon. And to my delight, mograyback came in intellectually shat himself. Goodtimes.
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Taxing Authority
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 10:12 am to b-rab2)
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Just now catching this thread. I'm a field engineer in completions
You're just in denial.
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KG6
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 10:39 am to a want)
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Why are companies allowed to keep the chemicals they use a secret? I understand the element of trade secrets in business, but when something may effect all life on earth, then trade secrets cross the line. If there is no problem, disclose everything, put it all in the open.
I'm not involed in the chemical engineering, so I don't have the expertise to comment on their chemical make-up and technically how they are harmless. But, I am involved with the engineering of the well equipment and pumping of frac jobs. I've held the chemicals in my bare hands. They are just things that cause fresh water to become viscous so that they can hold fractures open longer. Offshore, they are allowed to dump these fluids into the gulf. They would never be allowed to do that if it was harmful. The only things that I would not be comfortable being exposed to are the acids that are pumped, but it's really not that much in comparison to the reservoir size. It would be very diluted if it made it into a water table (which it should never come close to doing unless there is a terrible casing cement job)
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RCDfan1950
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:02 pm to CptRusty)
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You know what I meant. The implication in Mo's post was that fracing was potentially so dangerous that it could "effect all life on earth" (presumably in a bad way ) Just had to laugh at the dramatics of that...
Absolutely, Cpt. I was simply building on his ludicrous, alarmist cliche, and expanding that the Greens ARE affecting "all life on earth" by DENYING struggling po folk the access to cheap energy, by restricting supply. Serious hurt.
You won't hear a lot of talk about this Doc. What will be interesting will be the next HBO Doc backing up the first (Gasland). That will be one dog and pony/smoke and mirror show for sure.
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Mike78
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:37 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan)
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Why the hate mike?
Mainly because they sell NG below market value to screw mineral owners out of their royalty.
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cwill
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:40 pm to Mike78)
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Mainly because they sell NG below market value to screw mineral owners out of their royalty.
If they are selling to an affiliated company at below market and realizing a higher price at the plant you have a point...this was an old practice that frankly isn't that common any longer....especially after Texaco got its nuts crushed....It's highly unlikely that CHK is selling below market simply to screw mineral owners since that would screw them too...anyway you're making the claim - can you elaborate?
ETA: Lots of real reasons to hate on CHK by the way....just don't think this is one.
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Mike78
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:49 pm to cwill)
Im pretty sure they are selling to one of their "subsidiaries" then reselling at market value. We tried to bring a class action suit against them but were shut down by a federal judge who ruled that the only way a class action suit would be allowed is if all the leases were the same.
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dante
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 10:14 am to RCDfan1950)
Watched on DVR last night. Very good documentary. It just kills me how someone like Josh Fox is able to throw out so many lies about the harm of fracking but no one in MSM questions him. Why are liberals able to spread their propaganda with so little resistance?
"Low informed voter" has become a very popular term lately. I suggest that anyone who relies on the MSM for the major source of their news is low informed. I only hope that the American people wake up and demand more truth and accuracy from those that report the news.
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lsumatt
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:33 am to dante)
The best part for me is when one of the most respected chemists in the world (and father of the Ames cancer test) was basically laughing at a theater major for suggesting frac fluids were harmful
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dante
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:39 am to lsumatt)
The fact he teaches at Berkley surprised me as well. Goes to show he does not have an agenda other than science.
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lsumatt
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:41 am to dante)
That part in gasland was probably the worst. He just lists a bunch of chemicals with big words to scare people who don't know anything about chemistry.
99.9% of frac fluids are water, sand, and guar (a natural thickener that is present in hundreds of everyday foods).
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Taxing Authority
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 12:03 pm to lsumatt)
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The best part for me is when one of the most respected chemists in the world (and father of the Ames cancer test) was basically laughing at a theater major for suggesting frac fluids were harmful
Haven't seen the program yet. But most would be surprised to learn one of the more common components in frac fluids is calcium chloride. Which is also an ingredient in many foods. Like pickle juice. At least one company buys stock from a food grade plant from time to time.
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DonChowder
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| re: "Fracknation"...DON'T FORGET! Tonite @ 8 AXStv. (Posted on 1/24/13 at 12:07 pm to lsumatt)
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99.9% of frac fluids are water, sand, and guar (a natural thickener that is present in hundreds of everyday foods).
Right, but that doesn't stop people from hating it. If it's got Halliburton's name on it...scary!, evil!, corrupt!, Republican!. Gasp.
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