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I B Freeman
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I'm not sure I've ever heard an atheists do this...I can;t imagine a context where they would unless they were simply ignorant.


You are saying that you have never heard an atheists say he believes in abiogenesis? and/or that you do not think atheists lump abiogenesis with evolution?

What theories on the origins of life do you think most atheists believe?

Just curious.






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NC_Tigah
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re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons


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I'm not sure I've ever heard an atheists do this...
Not sure if serious.






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GeauxTigerTM
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You are saying that you have never heard an atheists say he believes in abiogenesis?


No, I'm saying I don't think I've ever heard an atheist claim that evolution answers how life began. That's abiogensis, not evolution.

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and/or that you do not think atheists lump abiogenesis with evolution?


Right...I've never heard one that did.

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What theories on the origins of life do you think most atheists believe?


Natural ones since we currently see no evidence for supernatural beings to instigate a supernatural origin. I was posting this in response to another post, but it fits here so I'll drop it here.


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One explanation posits a natural explanation for a phenomenon. We know natural explanations are factual for millions of other things we see around us...suggesting a natural explanation thus falls in line with what we know to be true in countless other examples. The other explanation posits a supernatural explanation which on its face remains untestable. Other than similar untestable claims, we have no evidence that the supernatural is the explanation for any phenomenon we see anywhere.


Put another way, even if you dislike the theory of evolution, suggesting a supernatural explanation is a nonstarter until you establish the existence of the supernatural. And even if you were to be able to do that, all you would gain is the ability to suggest ANY and ALL supernatural explanations, not any one in particular.






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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons


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Not sure if serious.


Is serious.

Other than straight up ignorance of the terms, what reason would an atheist have for suggesting evolution answers the question of how life originated?

This line is tossed out by those looking to find semantic high ground in evolution arguments. It's up there with suggesting "evolution is only a theory."

I've seen it used by theists who clearly misunderstood the terms...and I've seen it used by theists who clearly understood the terms but thought it was s solid word game for them as they shifted the goal post.

Nearly every time it's used like that here, someone explains that evolution doesn't seek to answer this question...and eventually Bayou comes in and tells them it does.






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NC_Tigah
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Is serious.

Other than straight up ignorance of the terms
Silliness.
It implies a technical and arguably stupid dismissal of the cenancestor construct requisite in atheism, and virtually requisite in evolutionary theory.






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NC_Tigah
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Why? Is any more stupid than some other organism?
It's analogous to questioning whether man evolved from Chimpanzees.






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TK421
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re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons


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I'm not sure I've ever heard an atheists do this...I can;t imagine a context where they would unless they were simply ignorant.


Well, there is a lot of scientific ignorance among the American populace that the atheist community is not exempt from. I have often heard, even on this very board, that current scientific evidence disproves the creation account in the Bible. This is akin to saying that there is evidence of abiogenesis. That's not to say that a lack of evidence for abiogenesis is proof of God; it isn't.

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When theists do this, more often than not, it's an attempt to move the goal posts to force evolution to answer for something it is simply not attempting to.


This obviously happens as well. My point is the abuse of science swings both ways. Science and Theology are very different subjects that are confused far too often.






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