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NC_Tigah 
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 1:31 pm to carbola)
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Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons
Apparently in his case, E.coli evolved into a person's brain. 
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Tom288 
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 1:33 pm to NC_Tigah)
I refuse to believe in evolution until the day I open up a jar of peanut butter and a parrot pops out.
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 1:34 pm to Bayou Sam)
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How do these idiots become lawmakers?
Being an idiot is actually one of the requirements.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 1:57 pm to Tom288)
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I refuse to believe in evolution until the day I open up a jar of peanut butter and a parrot pops out.
 
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 1:58 pm to Tom288)
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I refuse to believe in evolution until the day I open up a jar of peanut butter and a parrot pops out.
I literally laughed out loud at this post. Good job, Tom.
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TK421
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 1:59 pm to Bayou Sam)
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How do these idiots become lawmakers?
They accurately represent their constituencies.
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LSULaw2009
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:04 pm to WizardSleeve)
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Hominid Timeline Homo Sapiens fossils cannot be found older than 100,000 years. Many other hominid fossils have been found and dated millions of years older. If homo sapiens didn't exist 1 million years ago, but some other hominid, like Australopithicus did, how did modern humans get here if not gradually via evolution?
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I B Freeman
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:06 pm to WizardSleeve)
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why cant you extrapolate that evolution process back billions of years?
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We obviously dont have the fossil record to show exactly the path that occured
We are simply guessing about the fossils we find and their place on the evolutionary ladder. It is easy to see evolution among species and genus and even to some extent in taxonomic families but beyond that it is all guess. (you can often cross species and not even create a true hybrid offspring so the species label is nothing but a group of organisms with essentially the same DNA but with distinctive traits. Beefalo come to mind--crossed one way the progeny are not sterile.)
The complexity and diversity of organisms is hard to enumerate and to comprehend. Add that to the enormous complexity of the universe and it is very hard to explain. I can't say it is not God made or there is no God when I think about this complexity. It is mind boggling. For almost all of human history man has believed in gods--how are those centuries of belief any less compelling than some of the far flung theories of evolution?
The point being people that insist that life arose from a DNA pool in a random way are making a proposition no more far fetched and no more fact based than a Creationist who claims it is all God made.
I once had a genetics professor that said the chances of diverse life and complex life as we know it arising randomly is less likely than a tornado hitting a junk yard and leaving behind a completely functioning 747.
I don't know and you don't know.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:09 pm to LSULaw2009)
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That is the obvious answer!
Von Däniken alien visitors had a burning yearning for some Australopithecus tail.
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I B Freeman
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:19 pm to NC_Tigah)
I think the discussion the Senator was having is stupid simply because it is STUPID for us to allow government to educate our children in their schools and subject them to the beliefs of the loudest special interest.
Beyond that--if as some these days seem to believe that evolution to the proverbial DNA pool is factual, proven science--why an extreme evolutionist find the question the Senator asked embarrassing? Isn't it a natural challenge to the "up from the DNA gene pool" thinking?
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NC_Tigah
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:23 pm to I B Freeman)
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Isn't it a natural challenge to the "up from the DNA gene pool" thinking?
Citing E.coli specifically as an anthropoid progenitor is stupid.
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I B Freeman
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:29 pm to NC_Tigah)
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Isn't it a natural challenge to the "up from the DNA gene pool" thinking?
Citing E.coli specifically as an anthropoid progenitor is stupid
Why? Is any more stupid than some other organism?
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GeauxTigerTM
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:32 pm to Tom288)
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I refuse to believe in evolution until the day I open up a jar of peanut butter and a parrot pops out.
That really is the level of debate we get on this topic...
I.B. wonders why he hasn't seen a fish turn into a bird? REALLY?!? Who is he, Kirk Cameron?
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I B Freeman
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:40 pm to GeauxTigerTM)
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I.B. wonders why he hasn't seen a fish turn into a bird? REALLY?!? Who is he, Kirk Cameron?
Who is being stupid here? I say I have witnessed evolution. I know it exists. I just don't know and have never seen any evidence--fossil or otherwise--that proves or even substantially validates any theory that somehow all life arose from a void containing some pool of DNA.
What I don't see in this thread is any one that believes life evolved from a DNA or chemical pool explaining why the Senator's question should be embarrassing to them??
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GeauxTigerTM
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:46 pm to I B Freeman)
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Who is being stupid here?
You if you're suggesting one species suddenly changes into another.
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I say I have witnessed evolution. I know it exists.
Fantastic...common ground.
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I just don't know and have never seen any evidence--fossil or otherwise--that proves or even substantially validates any theory that somehow all life arose from a void containing some pool of DNA.
Congrats on expecting evolution to answer a question it doesn't try to. You're looking for abiogenesis...
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What I don't see in this thread is any one that believes life evolved from a DNA or chemical pool explaining why the Senator's question should be embarrassing to them??
Because that dickhole asked for an observable example of evolution and was in the process of being given one when he thought he'd be cute and ask an entirely unrelated question as a gotcha. If he wanted her to answer the very long and complicated question of how did human life evolve from a single celled organism, then he ought to have just asked that.
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 2:57 pm to carbola)
I don't think his question was absurd if he meant that micro evolution does occur within species, but one species doesn't evolve into another. If that's what he meant, it's a fair question.
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TK421
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 3:06 pm to GeauxTigerTM)
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Congrats on expecting evolution to answer a question it doesn't try to. You're looking for abiogenesis...
I agree with your point, but to be fair it is not just theists who try to make evolution answer questions it can't. Big Bang, abiogenesis, and evolution are often lumped in together by atheists and theists alike.
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MaximumTiger
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 3:13 pm to I B Freeman)
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The point being people that insist that life arose from a DNA pool in a random way are making a proposition no more far fetched and no more fact based than a Creationist who claims it is all God made.
Exactly. It's just a matter of which book you believe. Be it a text book or the Bible.
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WizardSleeve
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 3:19 pm to Revelator)
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but one species doesn't evolve into another.
Uh, yes it does.
Not suddenly, but through hundreds of thousands of generations of mutation. Eventually, the two creatures are different enough to warrant being grouped as two distinct types of organism. A la homo sapiens versus homo erectus versus australopithicus aferensis. The last was included to show you that even the genus can change given enough time. The idea that homo sapiens evolved from austalopithicus aferensis is a widely accepted theory given the mountain of fossil evidence. And this is evolution not from species to species but far enough to warrant an entirely new genus.
Or are you saying that homo sapiens didn't evolve from early hominids?
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GeauxTigerTM
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| re: Louisiana senator asks if E. coli evolve into persons (Posted on 1/24/13 at 3:49 pm to TK421)
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Big Bang, abiogenesis, and evolution are often lumped in together by atheists and theists alike.
I'm not sure I've ever heard an atheists do this...I can;t imagine a context where they would unless they were simply ignorant. When theists do this, more often than not, it's an attempt to move the goal posts to force evolution to answer for something it is simply not attempting to. If it was mere ignorance, it wouldn;t happen twice...but it does.
See how often you see the phrase, "Evolution is only a theory" tossed around by people who have been told that theory in science is not a half-assed guess but an explanation. Doing this once can be shrugged of as an honest mistake. More than once and it's a tactic.
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