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Atlantic article - The Outrageous 5-year Rise of College Sports Spending
Posted on 1/22/13 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/22/13 at 10:58 am
Sorry if already posted, but I did a search.
This is an article that is further reinforcing my stance that college sports is ultimately having a negative impact on collegiate education. Anyway, I think it is time to at least have a discussion about this type of thing. It worries me that as education budgets are being slashed, athletics spending continues to rise.
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This is an article that is further reinforcing my stance that college sports is ultimately having a negative impact on collegiate education. Anyway, I think it is time to at least have a discussion about this type of thing. It worries me that as education budgets are being slashed, athletics spending continues to rise.
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This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:01 am to Meursault
I've been saying for a while this spiral is unsustainable. It's a bubble, just like all the other bubbles we've seen lately.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:04 am to Meursault
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This is an article that is further reinforcing my stance that college sports is ultimately having a negative impact on collegiate education. Anyway, I think it is time to at least have a discussion about this type of thing. It worries me that as education budgets are being slashed, athletics spending continues to rise.
Who cares!?
National Champions!! Sports!! Beer!! Yelling!!
It's been happening for awhile. The funny thing is that colleges are doing this to themselves. Reap what you sow.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:18 am to Meursault
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It worries me that as education budgets are being slashed, athletics spending continues to rise.
Are those both funded from the same source or is athletic dept spending increasing because AD revenue is increasing? LSU's AD does give money to the education budget.
ETA: You could argue as well that Education spending has also been a bubble for decades.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:22 am to Meursault
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Was anyone paying attention when Sam Houston State and North Dakota State faced off for the FCS championship earlier this month? Was it even on TV? Beats me.
Once again another lazy reporter. The game was on one of the ESPN networks.
An article with some good food for thought ruined by sloppy reporting.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:34 am to Quidam65
Interesting article, but I don’t think the charts say what the author thinks they say. The athletic departments that were turning a profit were the ones who spent the MOST on football. In fact, it seems the key to having a profitable AD is having a great football team. The less revenue from your football team, the less chance you had of meeting expenses, even when the AD cut spending. The problem is not big time football but medium size football (or more accurately, every non-revenue sport).
Secondly, while cost per athlete is rising, so is tuition. If college costs have gone up, so does the average cost of a scholarship. Since college tuition is constantly climbing, it is not surprising to see AD cost per athlete also climbing, if only to keep pace with the cost of tuition.
Secondly, while cost per athlete is rising, so is tuition. If college costs have gone up, so does the average cost of a scholarship. Since college tuition is constantly climbing, it is not surprising to see AD cost per athlete also climbing, if only to keep pace with the cost of tuition.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:36 am to Meursault
Funding per sport should be proportional, based upon the revenue generated per sport with minimal funding required for those operating at losses.
Gender should not be an issue, men watch and spend more on sports. Financial support should be based upon the free market.
Gender should not be an issue, men watch and spend more on sports. Financial support should be based upon the free market.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:38 am to Baloo
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Since college tuition is constantly climbing, it is not surprising to see AD cost per athlete also climbing, if only to keep pace with the cost of tuition
I wonder if the author realizes that athletes tuition is actually paid for by the athletic dept. The kids don't just go to school for free, someone has to pay for it.
So as you said, tuition costs x, spending per student athlete will always be x + something.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:40 am to Baloo
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Interesting article, but I don’t think the charts say what the author thinks they say. The athletic departments that were turning a profit were the ones who spent the MOST on football. In fact, it seems the key to having a profitable AD is having a great football team. The less revenue from your football team, the less chance you had of meeting expenses, even when the AD cut spending. The problem is not big time football but medium size football (or more accurately, every non-revenue sport).
Right
The key is to have an elite football program and it turn a profit
Everything else is stupid and pointless
Posted on 1/22/13 at 11:59 am to H-Town Tiger
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Are those both funded from the same source or is athletic dept spending increasing because AD revenue is increasing? LSU's AD does give money to the education budget.
IIRC, LSU is one of the very few schools this is true of. Most schools lose money on their athletics.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:03 pm to TK421
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Most schools lose money on their athletics.
That's probably true, but I'm sure they spend AD funds. Its not as if the state legislatures are increasing spending on athletics, while cutting back on education, which is how some try to spin reports like this.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Its not as if the state legislatures are increasing spending on athletics, while cutting back on education, which is how some try to spin reports like this.
IDK, the legislatures are dedicating money to the AD that would otherwise go to academics. There is some spin in this, but not that much.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Its not as if the state legislatures are increasing spending on athletics, while cutting back on education, which is how some try to spin reports like this.
Ironically here in Kentucky, a proposal for state bonding that gives a HUGE boost to the academic side has garnered more support because of the athletic upgrades that were included in the proposal. Without it, there's a good chance that wouldn't have happened.
I'd go as far to make the argument that while spending has gotten larger for athletic departments, the increased visibility of some programs through sports has actually helped the academic side. This includes enrollment rates and etc.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:10 pm to TK421
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Most schools lose money on their athletics.
On paper. In the same way that pro teams lose money each year and then sell for millions in profit. they just move the money around.
You normally see some stat that's roughly only 60% of FBS football teams make money. OK, do the math: 120 teams x 60% = 72 programs. Now, how many programs are in the ACQ conferences plus Notre Dame? 69. Gee, I wonder who is losing money? The Sun Belt and the MAC. Most big time programs are making money.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:14 pm to Meursault
Title IX is causing a lot of this problem.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:15 pm to Baloo
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The problem is not big time football but medium size football (or more accurately, every non-revenue sport).
This
There are a group of major football program making a lot of money and then there are a larger number of medium sized programs who are not but trying to spend as if they could.
The most valuable thing most programs could do is a little honest reflection. If you are not going to be a Texas, tOSU, Florida, Bama, etc then you need to realize this and not spend as if you might. I look at a school like Tulane where they talk about inadequate support being the problem and just shudder.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:17 pm to Baloo
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You normally see some stat that's roughly only 60% of FBS football teams make money. OK, do the math: 120 teams x 60% = 72 programs.
That's true, but it doesn't make up for the amount of money most of those schools lose on other sports.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
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a proposal for state bonding that gives a HUGE boost to the academic side has garnered more support because of the athletic upgrades that were included in the proposal.
people were making a big deal about the new HS stadium in Allen Texas as outrageous spending, but it was part of a package that was paid for with bonds and including academich upgrades.
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IDK, the legislatures are dedicating money to the AD that would otherwise go to academics
I sure its all part of the budget and in the case of smaller schools that may be the case. But like Baloo I'm extremely skeptical of big time schools that are "losing" money. I suspect its just on paper.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:51 pm to molsusports
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The most valuable thing most programs could do is a little honest reflection. If you are not going to be a Texas, tOSU, Florida, Bama, etc then you need to realize this and not spend as if you might. I look at a school like Tulane where they talk about inadequate support being the problem and just shudder.
the problem with that is Tulane (having a good year) is able to beat SEC teams having a bad year
this leads them to believe they can be competitive if they put a little more money into the program...
if vandy at their worst beat tulane at their best 55-0, then things might be a bit different
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 12:52 pm
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