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SilverSpurs13 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 8:47 pm to weagle99)
Yes, just like everything else on this board.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 8:48 pm to deltaland)
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Obama being black it caused an enormous minority turnout
Absolutely. Wonder why 2010 had such a low turnout? Because Obama wasn't on any ticket.
If the dems don't nominate a black or Hispanic in 2016, it will be 2004 all over again, because white support for democrats is plummeting.
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Joshjrn
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 8:53 pm to deltaland)
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So you would rather vote Republican or Democrat who will always frick up fiscally
Fixed it for you.
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or vote Libertarian which won't make bit of difference.
Yes. See above.
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deltaland 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 8:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
The increased inner city voting in Urban areas of swing states was honestly the difference in the election.
The "older republicans dying off" is complete and utter bull shite.
The young generation is full of Republicans too, especially with them seeing our economy in shambles and having trouble finding a job out of college.
Sure a good number of them vote on social issues but that changes when they start to get a family and need a job to support them. It will always be split just like it has since the country was founded.
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cwill 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Changing social views isn't going to do shite either.
Changing antiquated social views and coming up with a legitimate guest-worker policy with a path to citizenship for those individuals (including an amnesty program for illegal children raised her for x years) would go a long way to preventing TX from turning blue....Toddy's unsourced projection is without a doubt related purely to hispanic pop growth...I live in TX...hispanics aren't liberal....they just don't like the party that makes them all feel as if they are unwanted.
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cwill
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:03 pm to deltaland)
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Sure a good number of them vote on social issues but that changes when they start to get a family and need a job to support them.
A tired old theme that isn't holding true any longer.
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Colonel Toddy 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:05 pm to weagle99)
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Link?
There was a long article in the San Antonio newspaper on this. Unless there is a sudden exodus of Hispanics in Texas the state is going to go blue. I don't care what happened in 2012.
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cwill
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:09 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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Unless there is a sudden exodus of Hispanics in Texas the state is going to go blue.
You and your unsourced study make too many assumptions about hispanics.
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Lsut81
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:11 pm to deltaland)
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So you would rather vote Democrat who will always frick up fiscally, or vote Libertarian which won't make bit of difference.
Yup....
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LSUgusto
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:13 pm to Colonel Toddy)
So, you're believing a newspaper article over actual results.
Sounds like a Democrat voter to me.
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Jake88 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:19 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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How is the GOP ever going to win the White House again if Texas goes blue??
While winning the presidency might be difficult, take a look at the national county map a view the sea of red. That's what elects the House of Representatives. The cities are overwhelming the other areas, but House members don't have to win cities to be in the majority.
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Jake88
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:21 pm to cwill)
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.they just don't like the party that makes them all feel as if they are unwanted.
Because Democrats have done what as far as immigration is concerned?
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texashorn
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 9:30 pm to Colonel Toddy)
I was hunting around for this San Antonio article you referenced, and came across this one, where the Castro brothers claim that Texas will go blue in 8-10 years, but are rebutted with this: Hispanics don't vote.
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“I just wanted to throw cold water on everything you have all said,” responded Nina Perales, vice president of Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. Perales warned that if Latinos in Texas do not mobilize to increase voter registration and turnout, there will be no such change.
Perales continued to underscore the bottom line: “We're losing ground,” she said. “We have more U.S. citizen Latinos turning 18 every day than are getting registered. The gap between eligible and registered in the Latino community is widening, not narrowing.”
San Antonio Express-News
Also, there's the factor that a significant amount of Hispanics in Texas are noncitizens and ineligible to vote.
For instance, the Irving school district (a Dallas suburb) is heavily Hispanic, but cannot elect a Hispanic to the board because
1. they don't vote
2. they (the courts) couldn't draw a map that gerrymandered enough citizens eligible to vote to make a difference.
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ETA: If I may add another example which just came to me.
There was a U.S. Congressional district drawn up in DFW that was supposed to elect a Hispanic, but instead, a black candidate won.
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For the first time since his congressional run began, Domingo Garcia said Thursday that his ethnicity is a top reason voters should support him in the race for the area’s newest U.S. House seat.
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“The district was created as a Hispanic seat. It’s 66 Hispanic and 17 percent African-American,” Garcia said.
Dallas Morning News
As I say, he lost.
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:15 pm to texashorn)
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I was hunting around for this San Antonio article you referenced, and came across this one, where the Castro brothers claim that Texas will go blue in 8-10 years, but are rebutted with this: Hispanics don't vote.
You're acting like Hispanics can't be mobilized to vote. I think they can.
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texashorn
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:16 pm to Colonel Toddy)
Good luck.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:19 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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You're acting like Hispanics can't be mobilized to vote. I think they can.
Why do you assume only democrats can mobilize them? I assume by mobilizing you mean telling them lies about rich people, not actually explaining the democratic platform, which literally goes against everything that is Hispanic culture.
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Layabout 
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:20 pm to Jake88)
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but House members don't have to win cities to be in the majority.
You think that's a good thing? It's the result of decades of chicanery by republican-dominated state legislatures. The House of Representatives is supposed to be apportioned according to population but it retains a republican majority despite the fact that democratic candidates received half a million more votes in 2012 than republicans.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:21 pm to Layabout)
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democratic candidates received half a million more votes in 2012
 What parts of states tend to be liberal, layabout?
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weagle99
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:23 pm to Colonel Toddy)
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You're acting like Hispanics can't be mobilized to vote.
And you're acting like it is a given that legal Hispanics will vote as a bloc for Democrats going forward. You can't know this with enough certainty to predict Texas for the Democrats in 11 years, particularly when recent election results don't support your argument. The New Republic article makes a compelling case for Texas staying red for a long time.
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: is the Republican Party's demise overblown? (Posted on 1/20/13 at 10:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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I assume by mobilizing you mean telling them lies about rich people, not actually explaining the democratic platform, which literally goes against everything that is Hispanic culture.
Like what ? Gay marriage ? Exit polls showed a majority of Hispanics supporting gay marriage. Their numbers were higher than non hispanic whites or blacks.
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