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quote: Mograyback, I think that other people besides far righties as you put it support life. I do support life.. I also support reality. People that want flat out no abortions are in lala land. If there was no abortion it's almost impossible to imagine how out of control welfare dependency would be.


Or, let's use our imagination and ask some questions. Could it be that the proliferation of abortion to fix "mistakes" as you call them could have led to more libertine views of sex apart from marriage which creates more welfare dependency? So, if there was not an easy out, perhaps people would get married and actually care for their children and their families. Instead, you can just get an abortion, right?

Think. If it is a person, then it should be protected and has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We need to be a just society that has opportunity for everyone - I agree. I am also against welfare as we know it. But, to kill 50 million babies who never had a chance at life one way or the other because we don't want more on welfare is barbaric.






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Yeah, man.. sometimes life can be contradicting and not pleasant. The reality is that without abortion the world would be in absolute disarray (not that it isn't close already). Do I wish for unborn babies to be killed, no. Is it ideal, no. Is it okay, no. It's something that should hurt, something that should sit in people for a long long time. But it's an option that needs to exist.


I have never conversed with anyone as morally or ethically inconsistent as you are. And, I have talked with a lot of people. I ask you to think about your position. It is unsustainable.






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boosiebadazz
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i love threads like this

i love people like you

you ensure that the fringe element of the republican party will never be in power




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lsuroadie
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Uhhhh...who is trying to take your guns?



Dude don't even come in here.


You know god damn well if the lefties had there way the second amendment would be dust tomorrow. Don't pretend. Don't even reply.



Besides, not implying they want my guns...it's a fundamental belief that guns don't kill and their 'want' to restrict gun rights with every fiber in their soul. This isn't a tin hat their coming to get my guns thread.






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boosiebadazz
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Dude don't even come in here.


You know god damn well if the lefties had there way the second amendment would be dust tomorrow. Don't pretend. Don't even reply.


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This isn't a tin hat their coming to get my guns thread


uh, what?






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Aristo
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Can we only abort the assault babies?





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asurob1
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Dude don't even come in here.


You know god damn well if the lefties had there way the second amendment would be dust tomorrow. Don't pretend. Don't even reply.



Besides, not implying they want my guns...it's a fundamental belief that guns don't kill and their 'want' to restrict gun rights with every fiber in their soul. This isn't a tin hat their coming to get my guns thread.


No one is coming to take your guns.

Sheesh.







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AFtigerFan
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Mograyback, I usually disagree with what you say, but I think it is an interesting conversation to have. I think if people read Freakanomics, they will understand the benefits legalized abortion may have had, and is still having, on our society. It's a relevant disucssion.

Whether you are for or against abortion is a different discussion altogether.






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If there was no abortion it's almost impossible to imagine how out of control welfare dependency would be.



Welfare dependency is a separate subject from abortion and shouldn't be combined. There are many factors that contribute to abortions. Lack of fathers, poor education, poor role models, ease of abortions,etc....






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mograyback
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I have never conversed with anyone as morally or ethically inconsistent as you are. And, I have talked with a lot of people. I ask you to think about your position. It is unsustainable.



What am I inconsistent about. Not everything in life is black-white.

You're probably extremely linear, making it hard for you to think this full circle.. to appreciate the full perspective.

Try to imagine for a moment the world without abortion, it would be madness. I don't like baby killing as much as the next guy, but if you're realistic you'd realize that it's necessary. Maybe if we can evolve as a species and become more responsible it wouldn't be as necessary, but in the current reality it is.







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Mograyback, I usually disagree with what you say, but I think it is an interesting conversation to have. I think if people read Freakanomics, they will understand the benefits legalized abortion may have had, and is still having, on our society. It's a relevant disucssion.




Right and then euthanize the elderly and kill those who are crippled, etc. It's been tried before in Germany and Margaret Sanger who later founded Planned Parenthood inspired those ideas.






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AlaTiger
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Try to imagine for a moment the world without abortion, it would be madness. I don't like baby killing as much as the next guy, but if you're realistic you'd realize that it's necessary. Maybe if we can evolve as a species and become more responsible it wouldn't be as necessary, but in the current reality it is.


A world where 50 million babies are killed in their own mother's womb by their mother's decision sounds like madness to me.

No, it is not necessary. One reason that we will see a collapse of Social Security and the safety net is because when the Baby Boom generation retires at 80 million strong, they will only have 125 million Gen Xers and Millenials, their children and grandchildren, working to take care of them. It will be a demographic disaster. The 50 million babies aborted and the children that they would have had if they had lived is part of the reason why the economy is slowing and why Social Security and Medicare will collapse under the weight of what is about to happen.

Oh, also, it is murder and those are human lives being discarded. So, that is why is it a moral evil.






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AFtigerFan
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Right and then euthanize the elderly and kill those who are crippled, etc. It's been tried before in Germany and Margaret Sanger who later founded Planned Parenthood inspired those ideas.


What the hell are you rambling about? Please, read what you typed, read what I typed, and then try to rationalize what you said. You make no sense whatsoever.

Let's try this again. I am pro-life. I do not agree with abortion whatsoever. But I would be naive to think that there have not been benefits to legalized abortion. That doesn't mean I agree with it, and it doesn't mean I think the benefits outweigh the costs. But it is an interesting conversation to have, and I'm not afraid to discuss it.

Does that help you a little bit more? Nah, didn't think so.

Did you read Freakanomics so you have somewhat of a clue of what I'm talking about? You know what, I won't even waste my typing on you after this. I'll just go back to my Mograyback bashing instead.






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Roaad
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using this logic it would be justified to allow current food stampers to be murdered.






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Let's try this again. I am pro-life. I do not agree with abortion whatsoever. But I would be naive to think that there have not been benefits to legalized abortion. That doesn't mean I agree with it, and it doesn't mean I think the benefits outweigh the costs. But it is an interesting conversation to have, and I'm not afraid to discuss it. Does that help you a little bit more? Nah, didn't think so.



Yes it lets me know you are a very confused individual. There are no benefits to legalized abortion and if one starts giving ground on the issue to weigh its merits, that person is certainly not pro life.



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mograyback
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No, it is not necessary. One reason that we will see a collapse of Social Security and the safety net is because when the Baby Boom generation retires at 80 million strong, they will only have 125 million Gen Xers and Millenials, their children and grandchildren, working to take care of them. It will be a demographic disaster. The 50 million babies aborted and the children that they would have had if they had lived is part of the reason why the economy is slowing and why Social Security and Medicare will collapse under the weight of what is about to happen.



I'd love to have as simple of a mind as yours.. would make life so much easier. Only dealing with black and white, no gray area, no mitigating factors.. ahh, life would be a breeze.

Also, your comments on the economy are... hilariously sad. The boomers dug their own grave (it's a shame, because they also dug the grave of this country at the same time).




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Aborting a mistake is different than killing someone in cold blood.
If you truly believe this then you are beyond hope as a human being. The baby being killed was never a mistake. The mistake was having sex without considering the consequences. Killing the baby to undo the mistake is the most selfish, evil decision a woman can make, and it is always done in cold blood.

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It's not easy for most people that get abortions, but the option to have an abortion is their free will. For most people, it's not a pleasant thing to have an abortion, it's not like they really want to kill someone, they just know it's for the better.
How can anyone be sure killing another human is for the better? A person can believe it is for the better, but they can never know. If people could know that killing another is for the better, then there would be no justification for laws against killing. People would be justified to kill because they know it is for the better.






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mograyback
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How can anyone be sure killing another human is for the better? A person can believe it is for the better, but they can never know.


If you're 17 and pregnant, no income, having a baby will screw you for life (and in most cases the baby too). That is just one example. If you're not in position to take care of a baby you and society are usually better off having the abortion and having a child later in life when you're more prepared.

It's ugly, it sucks, it is killing, but it is what it is. Had we pumped out an additional 50 million babies of which most would be dependent on the government, it would be chaos.






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understand the benefits legalized abortion may have had


if the pro-abortion left takes this position, then they've shot all of their humanitarian wealth-redistribution (and anti-death penalty) arguments to shite.

and if the right takes this position, then they are more Hitlarian than the left already caricatures them to be.




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mograyback
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if the pro-abortion left takes this position, then they've shot all of their humanitarian wealth-redistribution (and anti-death penalty) arguments to shite.

and if the right takes this position, then they are more Hitlarian than the left already caricatures them to be.


I yearn for the day left-right mindset is not a part of these conversations.






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