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Alahunter
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1 thru 5.... yes

6... you can make explosives with household items.






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MrCarton
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1. limit the availability of the weapon to the general populace
2. determine who is fit to possess said weapon
3. register the weapons location and owner
4. Ensure the safety of those without a similar
weapon
I like all those. In order 2,4,1,3.


Obviously some subjective ruling of "fit to own" a machine gun will have to be made. Are you in favor of local, state, or federal guidlines on the matter?






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NoHoTiger
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1. A semi-automatic rifle
2. A burst or automatic rifle
3. A belt fed machine gun
4. Semi automatic handguns
5. Fully automatic handguns
6. Non-nuclear explosives of any type

Yes to all






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MrCarton
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Member since Dec 2009
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Lot more all yes a replies than I anticipated.







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LSU alum wannabe
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Member since Jan 2004
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represent the highest power armament that a militia might be able to develop and maintain.


That would always be the worry. "Militia" smells of crazy to me.

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Could you elaborate on this point?



Some SERIOUS background checks for full auto weapons to be purchased. I don't even know that any more should be done for full auto. I am a gun owner but have no idea what is required to legally purchase and possess one. Don't know if any mass shootings have been committed with a full auto? So the measures that are already in place may be enough? I assume it is a shitload of paperwork, or having your own FFL, or a shitload of fees?






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NoHoTiger
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Lot more all yes a replies than I anticipated.


Really? more restrictions than I thought






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Alahunter
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$ and around 6 months of red tape for a full auto.





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LSU alum wannabe
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Member since Jan 2004
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Are you in favor of local, state, or federal guidlines on the matter?



I think federal is the only way to go here. Needs to be a consensus. Otherwise you will have a few states where it is legal. And all loons will flock there to purchase what they could not elsewhere. Then you are trying to enforce transporting weapons over state lines. You could go on and on. Booming businesses would be created by passage of laws only in certain states. Meaning it would be like a "dry county/parish". What is sitting at the edge of every route into or out of a "dry" area? Bars. You would have the same thing just with gun stores. Would be a nightmare for law enforcement.






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LSU alum wannabe
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$ and around 6 months of red tape for a full auto.



Sounds good enough to me.






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GoT1de
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Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
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If the police haz it... John Q. should haz it.





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MrCarton
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LSU alum wannabe


Thanks for your input thus far. Do you think fully automatic pose a greater risk to public safety than semi auto counterparts? If so, what do you think makes them more dangerous?






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Brick67
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Barksdale AFB, LA
Member since Oct 2012
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Yes, what was the purpose in including the 2nd amendment within the bill of rights.
Original intent was to allow the population to be armed on par with the common infantryman so as to throw off a despotic gov't should the need arise. It has and could happen. Madison explains it in one of the Federalist papers. Additionally it is a right to self defense. Lastly, the political left wants everyone to have the right to choose (fill in the blank cause). So why can't I choose the right to own/operate a semi-auto rifle that cosmetically looks like the type a special operator would carry?

What happens when the next Sandy Hook episode happens using a shotgun or a deer rifle?



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LSU alum wannabe
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Do you think fully automatic pose a greater risk to public safety than semi auto counterparts? If so, what do you think makes them more dangerous?



It would be by situation. As a whole? No. They are not more dangerous. Fewer people have them and fewer will always have automatic. But would the Colorado or Arizona shooting have been even worse with full auto? I believe so. Virginia Tech as well. Sandy Hook probably would not have mattered. Those poor kids were 5 years old. They probably never fully understood the danger they were in, and I doubt would have the instinct to scatter like adults or more mature children would.

But taking everything into consideration the sheer numbers of available automatic weapons is less so chances are less. But if you are talking about a perfect storm situation (hell you or someone even mentioned "belt-fed" weapons) where the Columbine kids had full-auto the numbers could definitely have been worse.






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ecb
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What does discrimatory background check mean? Do you mean a background check different from the one already in place?

I have no problem with mentally ill, felons, non us citizens not having the right to own firearms.

I have no problem with current licence requirements for full auto and explosives; this has been in place for decades.

I own semi automatic pistols and rifles, I can rent full auto at a local range, but can't afford the ammo to feed them






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MrCarton
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Thanks for the replies guys.


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ecb



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I have no problem with mentally ill, felons, non us citizens not having the right to own firearms.


1. We currently have some of these laws on the books. They have not prevented felons from accessing firearms. Is a more invasive system going to be required to prevent mentally ill people and convicted felons from owning firearms?

2. Should a convicted felon who has paid his dues in prison be deprived of the same rights as other citizens long after his conviction and incarceration? Are all felony convictions life sentences? Do you differentiate between violent felon and white collar felonies?



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Libertariantiger
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My initial reaction based on my gut feeling is no to some of these, but contrary to what our liberal friends think, the second amendment should make this a no brainer yes.
Constitutionalist knew that many people would trade some safety for some freedoms, which is why the second amendment is there. Forward thinking you should be thankful for!






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LSU alum wannabe
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Is a more invasive system going to be required to prevent mentally ill people and convicted felons from owning firearms?



It possibly could. Digging deeper into family? Who is in the same household as the weapon? Could not stop all, but maybe some. Connecticut was a perfect storm of stupid. To have a child capable of this and amass weapons like that? Makes no damned sense. And it got the mother shot in the face.

You just cannot make me understand the gun proponents objection to ANY change in current gun laws. And you cannot make me understand gun opponents having ANY objection to armed guards in schools? I HOPE it is just negotiation posturing or nothing will ever be done.

I personally would like to see it become harder to get semi- auto rifles (not handguns cause I have one and like them, call me selfish), and when "Lil' Alum" gets to kindegarten I hope to meet a Police Officer who is posted as his off-duty "second job". If it is good enough for a bank or jewelry store why not for a school?







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LSU alum wannabe
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Should a convicted felon who has paid his dues in prison be deprived of the same rights as other citizens long after his conviction and incarceration?


This is tougher to answer. Is this where your discussion is going, MrCarton? Have you or someone close to you done time? Not trying to mock, an honest question. I can see that being a shitty part of it. BUT it would be the nature of the crime committed. It would need to be looked at and possibly fall in the hands of a parole board or judicial system if a very short sentence.

I can definitely see some crimes as being a definite lifetime ban from legally owning a firearm.






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SimonSlick
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But would the Colorado or Arizona shooting have been even worse with full auto? I believe so.


I doubt it. My guess is that the shooters would have probably wasted a lot of bullets.






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MrCarton
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Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
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LSU alum wannabe


Would you say the mother suffered the consequences of her actions and the school was a victim of restrictive security policies?






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