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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


It's not just the SEC though, look at GT. Atlanta is the athletic and explosive capital of North America, but they haven't been consistently good in a long time.


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c on z
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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


Same thing for USC as well. Tons of talent in LA, but, they've haven't had much success.





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molsusports
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Not to mention some of the SEC schools put baseball in front of basketball.

Only delusional LSU fans.



Most fans are fair-weather fans... but having admitted that I agree LSU is a special case when it comes to baseball vs basketball. Our baseball program has been spectacular as a whole over the last two decades at the same time the basketball program has perennially underachieved.

Supposedly our baseball program is one of only a couple in the country to actually generate a profit (total revenues from baseball are supposed to be in the 9 million dollar range).

Our basketball program might lose money when all expenses are considered. With the number of outstanding basketball prospects from Louisiana there should have been a lot more outstanding basketball teams in the years since Dale Brown left.






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bubbz
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Only delusional LSU fans.



Just because Florida's fanbase doesn't give 2 shits about baseball, doesn't mean other SEC schools have the same issue. Florida has been fortunate enough to have a great basketball program and a great coach in Billy Donovan.

If you look at SEC schools individually: LSU, Arkansas, and South Carolina have baseball teams that have out performed it's basketball teams consistently in recent years. It's not the case everywhere in the SEC, but some schools I think you could make arguments for baseball > basketball.






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thenry712
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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


The big issue is sustained success for multiple programs. Besides Kentucky and, maybe, Florida (possibly pre-probation Tennessee) no SEC team has consistently been tournament caliber every year.

Schools like Alabama, LSU, Arkansas and Vandy have good teams sporadically.

Meanwhile the ACC can boast Duke and Carolina. The Big Ten has Michigan State and now Ohio State. Half of the artist formally known as the Big East gets in the tournament annually.







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bubbz
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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


with ACC adding Louisville and Cuse, you can add 2 more teams to that elite list.





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kclsufan
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i think it goes back to demographics and population. the population centers of the midwest/northeast could produce more football players if they could play year round. basketball can be, and is, and it's population is higher there

elite basketball requires super freaks

producing super freaks requires a very large population. they gots da people to do it

also, their higher like of basketball means more schools with history/facilities to attract recruits. those schools with that history pay more to maintain that history. we pay more for our FB coaches

You do realize schools like KU recruit nationally, right? Here's their current roster.

1 Naadir Tharpe 5-11 Guard SO/1L Worcester, Mass./Brewster Academy [N.H.]
2 Rio Adams 6-3 Guard FR/HS Seattle, Wash./Rainier Beach HS
3 Andrew White III 6-6 Guard FR/HS Richmond, Va./Miller School
4 Justin Wesley 6-9 Forward RS JR/1L Fort Worth, Texas/North Crowley HS/Lamar
5 Jeff Withey 7-0 Center SR/3L San Diego, Calif./Horizon HS
10 Evan Manning 6-3 Guard FR/HS Lawrence, Kan./Free State HS/New Hampton Prep
11 Tyler Self 6-2 Guard FR/HS Lawrence, Kan./Free State HS
15 Elijah Johnson 6-4 Guard SR/3L Las Vegas, Nev./Cheyenne HS
20 Niko Roberts 5-11 Guard JR/1L Huntington, N.Y./Saint Anthony's HS
21 Christian Garrett 6-3 Guard SO/1L Los Angeles, Calif./IMG Academy [Fla.]
23 Ben McLemore 6-5 Guard RS FR/HS St. Louis, Mo./Christian Life Center [Texas]
24 Travis Releford 6-6 Guard SR/3L Kansas City, Mo./Bishop Miege HS
31 Jamari Traylor 6-8 Forward RS FR/HS Chicago, Ill./IMG Academy [Fla.]
33 Landen Lucas 6-10 Forward FR/HS Portland, Ore./Westview HS
34 Perry Ellis 6-8 Forward FR/HS Wichita, Kan./Wichita Heights HS
40 Kevin Young 6-8 Forward SR/1L Perris, Calif./Perris HS/Loyola Marymount

KU is a perennial bball power for the same reason Kentuck is--tradition and institutional emphasis.






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Because no bigtime coaches want to come to the SEC and play second fiddle to a football program. Kentucky being the exception of course.


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fillmoregandt
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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


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quote: Not to mention some of the SEC schools put baseball in front of basketball.

you can believe this all day but it's not true


Actually it's pretty accurate. I can guarantee you that +90% of OM fan prefer baseball to basketball (and our facilities can back that up)

The same could be said for LSU and probably several other SEC teams



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bubbz
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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


Well he is a Kansas fan, so I can understand how he would value basketball over baseball, but baseball reigns supreme in the deep south. Arkansas has baseball suites from foul pole to foul pole. Thats freaking incredible.





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Siderophore
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All of the big time athlete's focus on football from the beginning. Many play bball through HS, but very very few likely forego football scholly's to play college basketball.


Basically the same reason why American soccer is meh compared to the rest of the world.

If you take away football as an athlete sink, we would dominate.



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Siderophore
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you can believe this all day but it's not true


Some, not all.

LSU for one puts a huge emphasis on baseball.

Just look at the fan numbers that show up....






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thenry712
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re: Why does the SEC have a difficult time with bball?


The problem is that college baseball is irrelevant in the national picture. Women's basketball gets more press nationally than baseball.

It's really dumb to put an emphasis on a sport that doesn't even give full scholarships to most of its players.

As soon as one lesser SEC basketball program becomes consistently good, its popularity will soar over baseball. Arkansas may have a swanky new baseball facility to spark interest in a good baseball team. If somehow the glory days of Nolan Richardson are resurrected in Fayetteville, people will flock back to basketball.

The Kansas fan who brought up national recruiting makes a good point. Blue chip one-and-done recruits don't care to play close to home. They want to go to a school that will garner them the most attention from NBA scouts and media outlets. Winning brings that notoriety.






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