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tigerfan4120
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What pisses me off is that they all went to frickin Bama. Don't y'all get it. It's not normal. What's normal is a couple go to Fla. A couple go to Tenn. One goes to USCe. Not all of them to Bama.


Would it make you feel better if we were losing players left and right to other programs not named Bama? Tennessee stole Janzen Jackson. USC signed Joe McKnight. Auburn got Trovon Reed and Greg Robinson. You got Saban in your head bro. Take a deep breath and let him out. We have good players here in La. 90% of the time we get the ones we want. The ones we don't get, we tend to replace with OOS talent that is on par, sometimes better, sometimes not quite as good. Assessing it holistically, LSU has a roster that has as much talent as anyone in the country.







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VermilionTiger
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The 312, how many of Alabamas top 5 instate did Alabama sign last season?





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Penrod
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Words can not describe how stupid and obtuse you are being right now.


Obtuse? That'll get you a month in solitaire, Andy.






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JTTiger
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It makes me made as well. Difference is Saban knows all the LA coaches since coached at LSU. We will be dealing with that all the time. Could be worse like in the 90's when all the recruits left the state.





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molsusports
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This is not a thread that belongs on the recruiting board - the recruiting board is for talking about recruits that are in play not bitching about coaching failures or philosophies.

The OP's argument is silly anyway. The only two Louisiana players that recently went to Bama and we'd have liked to have were Lacy and Collins. Lacy wasn't supposed to be academically qualified and Collins just liked Bama more than he liked LSU.

That's two players to another school in 4-5 years. That is going to happen whether you are USC, Texas, Florida, Bama, or LSU. It doesn't make sense to obsess about this kind of thing so take it to the Political Board or Tiger Rant






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Qwerty
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Last year 3 of top 6 in Alabama went to fsu, including the top prospect. 5 of 12 went out of state, including one to LSU. What exactly is the point of this thread?





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roscoe mike
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Don't worry. I don't have catastrophe syndrome. I still believe we are the best equipped to challenge Bama year in and year out.





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Penrod
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That was a 3-2-6 Not a 3-4


There's really no difference between a 3-2-6 and a 3-4 except some of the guys relieving LBs are smaller and faster. They still have similar responsibilities.






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JakeFromStateFarm
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Someone let this thread die and send these crybabies back to the rant so they can whine about losing a kid that we stopped recruiting three months ago. Even with all the "losing the in state kids to Bama" bs, the OP's last sentence tells you what all of this nonsense is about.

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I'm sorry. If you have a 4* DE going to high school on your campus, you need to get him. This shite needs to stop.








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The312
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While I 100% agree it would be better for recruits to sign out of the SEC, this is 100% wrong and yet another example of your flawed, absolutist thinking.


It's not my reasoning that's flawed.

When LSU loses an in-state player that it wants to Alabama, and that it has highly ranked on its own internal boards, and that it has to replace with someone it had less regard for (again, according to its own internal assessment), that weakens LSU and strengthens Bama.

Your entire argument is based on the naked hope that LSU's own internal assessment will prove to be flawed and that the lower ranked, less regarded player will somehow outperform the higher rated, more highly regarded player. I willingly concede that this SOMETIMES occurs, but not typically. The recruiting rankings have been statistically validated ad naseum, repeatedly. On an individual basis, higher ranked players tend to outperform lower ranked players in productivity, post-season awards, and NFL draft status. On a team basis, there is a strong correlation between recruiting rankings (particularly Rivals) and on-field performance. These studies are available. Perhaps you've read some. Anecdotally, it's no suprise that the team which has won three of four national titles has also consistently finished with the number one class over the last half decade.

Moreover, you can't have it both ways when it comes to the coaches. You can't - on the one hand - proclaim that the coaches are good talent evaluators and that we must "trust" them while simultaneously claiming that we should disregard the coaches' own internal rankings when we lose a recruit.

In any case, you seem to agree with me on the main precept here: it's not a good thing for LSU when highly coveted Louisiana recruits sign with Bama, which is what the trend has been. That's really the only point I think the OP was trying to make. It doesn't even seem controversial.




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VermilionTiger
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There's really no difference between a 3-2-6 and a 3-4 except some of the guys relieving LBs are smaller and faster. They still have similar responsibilities.


Lol






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Penrod
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Collins was ahead of Thompson on our own boards.


True

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But that certainly wasn't true last year, when we finished outside the top ten.


No way that class was outside of the top ten. Those players have hardly had time to develop and already we have Debo, Kwon, Corey, Mills, Vadal, Feist, Keehn, and Louis. That was a top five class. The recruiting services are just too retarded to realize it.






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molsusports
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When LSU loses an in-state player that it wants to Alabama, and that it has highly ranked on its own internal boards, and that it has to replace with someone it had less regard for (again, according to its own internal assessment), that weakens LSU and strengthens Bama.


Right, but that has happened in maybe two times of note (Lacy, Collins) in the last five years and we've taken in maybe 25 guys per year. Your logic damns the recruiting outcomes at LSU on the basis of less than 2% of the recruits enrolling at LSU in a half decade.

Even if we only consider the Louisiana talent for the purposes of this discussion LSU is doing really well. Have a look at the lists of top Louisiana talent for this year and over the last several years. LSU is missing out on far fewer of our targeted in state recruits than say Alabama is on Alabama recruits, Georgia is on Georgia recruits, Texas/A&M (combined) are on Texas recruits, and Florida/FSU (combined) are on Florida recruits.







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The312
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Right, but that has happened in maybe two times of note (Lacy, Collins) in the last five years and we've taken in maybe 25 guys per year. Your logic damns the recruiting outcomes at LSU on the basis of less than 2% of the recruits enrolling at LSU in a half decade.


No, sir, this is the broader argument that I am expressing disavowing. I don't believe the original poster was taking this more universal position either. My only, exclusive point is that when LSU loses a coveted in-state recruit to Alabama, that isolated event in and of itself is a bad thing for LSU. Hence, as an LSU fan, it is natural and justifiable to feel some disappointment when it occurs. I'm not arguing about the broader implications and whether or not LSU recruiting as a whole is declining.






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tigerfan4120
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When LSU loses an in-state player that it wants to Alabama, and that it has highly ranked on its own internal boards, and that it has to replace with someone it had less regard for (again, according to its own internal assessment), that weakens LSU and strengthens Bama.


Bro, that happens with every school. Hell, Bama just took Tim Williams as a replacement for someone that was "higher on their board." Tim Williams, for what its worth, wasn't even on LSU's board any more. You have blinders on when it comes to in-state vs. out-of-state and Bama vs. LSU. You should be thinking of it as just one giant pool of recruits across the country that we are battling every school for, that way you won't get your jimmies all rustled every time Bama signs Joe Schmo from Louisiana. And then look at our class holistically to see if needs are met and we have a roster loaded with talent. The answer is resoundingly yes.

Also, LSU stole Andy Dodd from Bama this year and by your silly logic that forced Bama to go down their board and replace Dodd with a lesser player, but I don't see you celebrating that fact as much as you like to bitch about other stuff.



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dos crystal
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Maybe I am missing the point. But It pissed me off seeing Eddie Lacy score a TD in Tiger Stadium wearing a gump uni.


so you weren't happy Hill, a louisiana rb, scored a t.d. against bama? you rather lacy than hill? if you get lacy you have to give up one of your other rbs. you give up blue? you give up ware? you give up ford? right now it's hind sight. lsu hasn't lacked for rbs.

I'm not going to take anything away from lacy, however, it was easier for him to run behind alabama's line than it was for any of our rbs to run behind our line this year. why can't people understand this?






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molsusports
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My only, exclusive point is that when LSU loses a coveted in-state recruit to Alabama, that isolated event in and of itself is a bad thing for LSU



You can't live your life thinking like this.

Some percentage of highly desired recruits will go elsewhere instead of staying in state. By every reasonable measure LSU is not only doing well in their in state recruiting but doing better than other comparable major programs with in state advantages. To worry about in state recruiting at LSU when it is a major strength is just silly (but not atypical of our catastrophe syndrome fanbase)






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TigerFanNKaty
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Are u serious the only one who really contributed so far is Lacy. And most feel Beckwith is as good or better than Williams.





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The312
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Bro, that happens with every school. Hell, Bama just took Tim Williams as a replacement for someone that was "higher on their board." Tim Williams, for what its worth, wasn't even on LSU's board any more. You have blinders on when it comes to in-state vs. out-of-state and Bama vs. LSU. You should be thinking of it as just one giant pool of recruits across the country that we are battling every school for, that way you won't get your jimmies all rustled every time Bama signs Joe Schmo from Louisiana. And then look at our class holistically to see if needs are met and we have a roster loaded with talent. The answer is resoundingly yes.

Also, LSU stole Andy Dodd from Bama this year and by your silly logic that forced Bama to go down their board and replace Dodd with a lesser player, but I don't see you celebrating that fact as much as you like to bitch about other stuff.


Several flaws with this. First of all, you don't know whether or not Dodd's loss caused Alabama to sign a recruit lower on its board until Signing Day. They could replace him with someone even more highly touted, at his position or another. (By contrast, since the 2012 class is closed, I can say authoritatively that Collins' loss actually caused LSU to sign Thompson, who was lower on our staff's own internal rankings.)

Second of all, envisioning the recruiting targets as a pool of national recruits doesn't alleviate my concern in the least. To continue with the Collins example, even if I disregard state of residency, we nonetheless had to replace a better player (Collins) with a worse player (Thompson). That's bad for LSU. The ultimate result is the same.

In fact, if I were truly to adopt a national perspective, I might be even more concerned about LSU's recent recruiting, since Alabama has consistently been ranked ahead of us in national rankings for a half a decade, and last season we finished outside the top ten in consensus national rankings.

Finally, your approach ignores the fundamental truth that in-state recruits are the historical cornerstone of LSU's success. They really aren't fungible because they have emotional and geographic ties to the school. Any credible coach at LSU will always prioritize signing the best players in the state. DiNardo started to do it, Saban did it, and Miles has continued to try to do it.



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