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re: High Capacity ban... It won't won't stop anything.

Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by Jamede4
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
1769 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:29 pm to
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Until you can show me FACTUAL information that shows gun control stops crime, refrain from red herrings and name calling to have a logical argument with me.


I didn't name call.

Just asking why you need such a powerful weapon? What can you possibly be doing with military style weapons. People's children are dying because of bad people with these weapons. Don't you see that?
Posted by NYCAuburn
TD Platinum Membership/SECr Sheriff
Member since Feb 2011
57002 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:31 pm to
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Just asking why you need such a powerful weapon?


can you define "powerful weapon" please?

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military style weapons
I see we have a sheep in the flock

Also, what about a law, supported by the Prez, that directly kills children?

This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 12:33 pm
Posted by LSURoss
SWLAish
Member since Dec 2007
15429 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:33 pm to
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What can you possibly be doing with military style weapons


Put all sorts of gadgets on it and make it look even more terrifying!!!

eta: Also, when you have a bunch of hogs in motion, sometimes 8-10 rounds ain't gonna cut it..
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7987 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:33 pm to
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People's children are dying because of bad people with these weapons. Don't you see that?



I thought you were serious until that.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11914 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:34 pm to
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bad people with these weapons.


I'm not a bad person. Why should I, and other lawful gun owners, be punished for the actions of these disturbed individuals?

Answer me this... Why do police agencies choose the AR15 as the weapon of choice?

Because it's a damn fine defense weapon. They feel it is one of the best weapons for the defense of self and others.

I have the potential to face the exact same criminal element that they face on a daily basis. Granted, I am not running to these things, nor do I see them more often. Assuming a home invasion scenario in which I use a rifle for self defense, why should someone dictate what I can or can't use when I am the victim? I did not ask this person to rob me or rape my wife or beat my kids. This is all hypothetical but this is the exact reason the AR15 is such a great platform. I prefer the cards to be stacked in my favor than the criminal's favor.

And just to let you know, my home defense weapon is actually a Remington 870 shotgun with 5 shells in it. But, if I had a carbine-length AR15, it would probably be my #1 because of all the positive attributes it has.

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Just asking why you need such a powerful weapon?


You know that 90% of deer rifles are more powerful than an AR15, right?

EDIT: Forgot to add that the majority of America's crime rate involves gangs... about 3/4 of it to be exact... That's 75% just to be clearer...
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 12:36 pm
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6854 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:37 pm to
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People's children are dying because of bad people with these weapons. Don't you see that?



Take that same weapon and load it, cock it, and take the safety off. Lean that fricker in the corner and walk away for 1000 years. As long as nobody touches it, when you come back to check there won't be any dead people. Not a frickin one.


It's not the guns you fricktard.

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why you need such a powerful weapon?


Because the mothafrickin U.S. Constitution says I can.
Posted by DrTyger
Covington
Member since Oct 2009
22325 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:38 pm to
We can't know for sure exactly how many AR-15's are in the U.S., but using manufacturing, importing and sales numbers as well as trends in growth of sale and manufacturing we can get a pretty good estimate.

Using these number and factors, slate.com estimates that as of 2012 there are roughly 3,750,000 legally owned AR-15's in the United States. This estimate is also likely on the low side since it does not account for AR-15's that were pieced together from individual parts obtained over time, which is a common hobby among gun enthusiasts.

According to the FBI, assault weapons are used in 1% of gun crimes and 0.20% of violent crime. We'll make the same assumptions as before that all of the guns in these crimes are legally obtained and used only in one of the individual crimes. We'll also use the crime numbers from 2008 which will again be higher than the number of gun crimes in 2012 due to the trend of decreasing crime in the U.S.

1% or 0.01 x 303,880 = 3,039

3,039/3,750,000 = 0.00081 or 0.081%.

And keep in mind that the denominator in this equation is simply the number of AR-15's in the country and the numerator is the number of guns crimes where assault weapons were used. It does not take into account the other firearms that would fit the definition of an assault weapon. If those were taken into account, the percentage would be even lower.

So are we to ban or severely limit the use of these "scary" assault weapons for every law abiding citizen who owns one over the 0.081% who use them in crime? A far higher percentage of people abuse welfare, insurance, prescription drugs, and even their own children. Are we to ban all of them as well?
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25949 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 12:40 pm to
Its pretty obvious you have done absolutely no research on this topic, and the only thing thats worse is the millions of other ignorant Americans that not only believe the way that you do, but they want to force everyone else into that line of thinking as well.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
7753 posts
Posted on 1/16/13 at 1:00 pm to
[quote] What can you possibly be doing with military style weapons.[/quote

:beatdeadhorse: Please tell me: Just WHEN will you anti-gun people learn there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE, other than the way the weapon LOOKS, between any SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifle and any of the SEMI-AUTOMATIC "military style" rifles??? They are both SEMI-AUTOMATIC, not fully automatic. Get that? You just don't like the way the "military style" rifles look. I wish more people like you did not own any firearms because it is obvious you know so very little about any of them and for you to possess a firearm could be a legitimate danger to society.
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