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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:10 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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Who goddamned said there was?!
Every one that says keep religion out of our schools.
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:11 pm to TK421)
Yes, I get mad at dense, thick-headed people who don't know how to have an adult discussion.
Guess this means you "trolled" me or something. Way to go, I guess.
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junkfunky
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:11 pm to bpfergu)
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There's nothing wrong with doing that, and that has absolutely nothing to do with this article. There are teachers that were attempting to remove evolution from the curriculum and teaching creationism in science classes. Are you ok with that?
Depends on the type of school.
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bpfergu 
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:11 pm to TK421)
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What are you talking about? You have no idea what my opinion on the matter is. I'm just commenting on these brat wasting life minutes.
You're just being an a-hole, as usual.
Ok, so he's a "brat" for trying to defend actual science in science class?
I'm just going to pack up and leave now. It is literally impossible to have any sort of viable, intelligent discussion with any of you close-minded Christians on this site, or most places in general.
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junkfunky
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:13 pm to bpfergu)
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It is literally impossible to have any sort of viable, intelligent discussion with any of you close-minded Christians on this site, or most places in general.
I'm an atheist you stereotyping heathen.
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TK421
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:13 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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Did you even read the article? Jesus. I know it's not FoxNews.com or the Bible, but frick can't you Christian conservatives branch out just a little bit
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Yes, I get mad at dense, thick-headed people who don't know how to have an adult discussion.
 Well done, dumbass.
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Guess this means you "trolled" me or something
Actually, it seems you trolled yourself.
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:14 pm to bpfergu)
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Read the fricking article.
READ THE LSEA !
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bpfergu
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:14 pm to junkfunky)
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I'm an atheist you stereotyping heathen.
Go back and read who I was responding to.
Peace
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TK421
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:16 pm to bpfergu)
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Ok, so he's a "brat" for trying to defend actual science in science class?
He just seems like a whiny attention whore. Hence why he is still mad about this "slight" to his education after he's gone to college.
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It is literally impossible to have any sort of viable, intelligent discussion with any of you close-minded Christians on this site,
You seem to be the close minded one in this discussion.
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:22 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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Yes, I get mad at dense, thick-headed people who don't know how to have an adult discussion
What are the odds that science will be kicked out of the classroom? It's kind of like worrying Al Qaida will infiltrate city hall.
Yeah, I know. Because someone doesn't agree 100% with you in some dramatic fashion they are thick headed Fox readin rednecks.
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NC_Tigah
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:24 pm to bpfergu)
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Read the fricking article.
Since you're obviously struggling with the Scientific Quality of curiosity,
HERE IS THE LSEA:quote:
AN ACT
To enact R.S. 17:285.1, relative to curriculum and instruction; to provide relative to the teaching of scientific subjects in public elementary and secondary schools; to promote students' critical thinking skills and open discussion of scientific theories; to provide relative to support and guidance for teachers; to provide relative to textbooks and instructional materials; to provide for rules and regulations; to provide for effectiveness; and to provide for related matters.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of Louisiana:
Section 1. R.S. 17:285.1 is hereby enacted to read as follows:
§285.1. Science education; development of critical thinking skills
A. This Section shall be known and may be cited as the "Louisiana Science Education Act."
B.(1) The State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, upon request of a city, parish, or other local public school board, shall allow and assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning.
(2) Such assistance shall include support and guidance for teachers regarding effective ways to help students understand, analyze, critique, and objectively review scientific theories being studied, including those enumerated in Paragraph (1) of this Subsection.
C. A teacher shall teach the material presented in the standard textbook supplied by the school system and thereafter may use supplemental textbooks and other instructional materials to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review scientific theories in an objective manner, as permitted by the city, parish, or other local public school board unless otherwise prohibited by the State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education.
D. This Section shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion.
E. The State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education and each city, parish, or other local public school board shall adopt and promulgate the rules and regulations necessary to implement the provisions of this Section prior to the beginning of the 2008-2009 school year.
You have a problem with promoting critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning?
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:32 pm to NC_Tigah)
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NC_Tigah
HERE IS THE LSEA
Exactly, and thanks for looking it up.
The LSEA is a symbolic, half-hearted nod toward creationists and similar ilk. It does nothing, that imho, that could not be done before the bill was passed. Anyone that frets over this must have general anxiety disorder.
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:36 pm to bpfergu)
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bpfergu 
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Hello?
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:37 pm to BigJim)
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Anyone that frets over this must have general anxiety disorder.
Or a need for attention.
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bpfergu
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:37 pm to NC_Tigah)
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You have a problem with promoting critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning?
Yes, I do have a problem with teachers being given the right to "critique and review" explicitly politically controversial theories such as evolution but make no mention of general topics such as chemistry. This gives creationist an excuse to try to introduce mythology into a science class (which the article explains happened a couple of years ago).
Nice attempt at trying to put words in my mouth. I have no problem with critical thinking. That is what the foundation of science is centered around. If you want to teach about your mythical gods and other belief-based topics then have at it, but keep it out of the science classroom. There are plenty of other avenues to teach that if the student is interested. Science is not partial to culture, religion, or upbringing. It simply is what it is, and has unbiased, verifiable data to support it. Christianity, or any religion for that matter, is not universally accepted by all, and trying to teach it as anything more than faith is a direct insult to those that don't follow it.
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:39 pm to bpfergu)
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I have no problem with critical thinking
Of course you do.
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TK421
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:40 pm to bpfergu)
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Yes, I do have a problem with teachers being given the right to "critique and review" explicitly politically controversial theories such as evolution but make no mention of general topics such as chemistry
Chemistry is not a theory.
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This gives creationist an excuse to try to introduce mythology into a science class
So much hate.
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Science is not partial to culture, religion, or upbringing. It simply is what it is, and has unbiased, verifiable data to support it.
Seems that is what the law was trying to say.
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:40 pm to bpfergu)
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If you want to teach about your mythical gods and other belief-based topics then have at it,
What does AGW Mythology have to do with "gods"?
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bpfergu
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:44 pm to NC_Tigah)
Also, I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with you. As the article CLEARLY stated, creationists are using this law as ammunition to try to throw out science in the classroom and teach their own agenda. You can wiggle around all you want, but it is stated clear as day in this article.
Public schools should teach un-biased material that is accepted by an eclectic community of all background and cultures. In regards to science, this should be centered around established theories that have a plethora of verifiable analysis to back them. If you were to go to, say, India and try to teach the Christian version of creationism it wouldn't go over very well. So who is right and who is wrong? Do you have the right to go into their school and teach them a religion that many don't follow, as if it is a fact? Fact-based science does not hold bias and sticks to strictly facts, and for that reason it should be what science classes are centered around.
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bpfergu
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| re: 19 year old fighting for Lousiana to keep science in the classroom (Posted on 1/15/13 at 6:47 pm to TK421)
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Chemistry is not a theory.
There are a plethora of theories that fall under chemistry. Nice try to put words in my mouth again, though.
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So much hate.
Stating facts =/= hate
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Seems that is what the law was trying to say.
Kopplin, who is studying history at Rice University, had good reason to be upset after the passing of the LSEA — an insidious piece of legislation that allows teachers to bring in their own supplemental materials when discussing politically controversial topics like evolution or climate change. Soon after the act was passed, some of his teachers began to not just supplement existing texts, but to rid the classroom of established science books altogether. It was during the process to adopt a new life science textbook in 2010 that creationists barraged Louisiana's State Board of Education with complaints about the evidence-based science texts.
Yup, definitely no bias at all. Teachers attempt to throw out universal scientific theories to teach their own agenda. No bias there at all. Nope. None.
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