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re: Official 2013 Aussie Open Thread
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:08 pm to Tweezy
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:08 pm to Tweezy
I'm not even saying I think they're on drugs. I'm just saying the level of power and fitness is at an all time high for the sport. It definitely would not shock me if some of the top players are on drugs.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:12 pm to Ysebaert
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I'm not even saying I think they're on drugs
I was more making a general statement, but yes I agree. I also wouldn't be shocked if they WERENT on drugs. Although, with seemingly all the top athletes being outed for drug users it makes it hard to believe that anyone is honest
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:18 pm to Tweezy
Almagro is falling apart. Ferrer is going to roll in the 5th.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:22 pm to Tweezy
Anyways this is a pretty good match. Going to the 5th. Almagro has some sort of mental block he can't seem to get over. The injury may even be mental at this point.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:46 pm to Tweezy
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also kind of sad that we live in an age where if you're the best you are guilty until proven innocent, which is often times impossible.
ETa not saying i know that none of those guys did PED's, but can't some people just be freak athletes? I mean we are talking about some of the elite tennis players of all time, it only makes sense that they would have "other worldly" abilities
They are freak athletes for sure. But for me the red flags are dramatic changes in fitness levels. It could be just ridiculous fitness regiments. It could be ridiculous fitness regiments with some added help from a substance or two. I don't know for sure, but it definitely wouldn't shock me if it were the latter.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:47 pm to Ysebaert
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Anyways this is a pretty good match. Going to the 5th. Almagro has some sort of mental block he can't seem to get over. The injury may even be mental at this point.
I don't think he's ever beaten Ferrer.
Ferrer is now up a break in the 5th. I'm calling ballgame.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:59 pm to bobbyray21
Game, set, match, Ferrer.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:00 am to bobbyray21
Djokovic-Birdman 
Nole's had a pretty ridiculous draw.
Nole's had a pretty ridiculous draw.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 1:05 am
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:01 am to bobbyray21
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They are freak athletes for sure. But for me the red flags are dramatic changes in fitness levels. It could be just ridiculous fitness regiments. It could be ridiculous fitness regiments with some added help from a substance or two. I don't know for sure, but it definitely wouldn't shock me if it were the latter.
no doubt, maybe i'm an idealist, but i like to think they are just the best. like i said earlier though, the elite athletes have made their bed by continually taking PED's. the assumption of guilt isn't fair to the ones not cheating, but in this day in age, it simply comes with the territory.
i was born in 91 so pretty much my entire sports watching career has been "tainted" with PED's so perhaps i have a different outlook on them than older people, but honestly i've grown callous to the fact that they are most likely still rampantly used.
they are "performance enhancing" by name, but i think that discredits the athletes skill level to some degree. this is probably more relevant in baseball where the value of hand-eye coordination is supreme to strength in relation to hitting. i dont look down upon any hitting stats posted during the juice era. but in sports like cycling and tennis where endurance can be paramount, yeah it is kind of disappointing. cycling, in particular, hardly even seems like a sport anymore. basically a decades worth of TDF winners have been outed as cheaters.
tennis still involves a lot of skill, but i think it would be more tempting to use PED's for improved performances than a sport like baseball.
like i mentioned, i'm sure my age has something to do with why i feel this way.
oh well, excited to watch the joker tonight. PED's or not i can appreciate a well oiled machine.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:01 am to castorinho
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Noel's had a pretty ridiculous draw.
4 out of 6 aussie championships doesnt come easy
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:07 am to Tweezy
Hopefully Berdych is competitive, Djokovic owns him. Whipped him real good a couple of years ago at this same stage.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:08 am to Tweezy
Sharapova has some great looking thighs.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:18 am to Tweezy
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they are "performance enhancing" by name, but i think that discredits the athletes skill level to some degree. this is probably more relevant in baseball where the value of hand-eye coordination is supreme to strength in relation to hitting. i dont look down upon any hitting stats posted during the juice era. but in sports like cycling and tennis where endurance can be paramount, yeah it is kind of disappointing. cycling, in particular, hardly even seems like a sport anymore. basically a decades worth of TDF winners have been outed as cheaters.
tennis still involves a lot of skill, but i think it would be more tempting to use PED's for improved performances than a sport like baseball.
like i mentioned, i'm sure my age has something to do with why i feel this way.
oh well, excited to watch the joker tonight. PED's or not i can appreciate a well oiled machine
The reason that I don't give a shite whether Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, etc. are or have been on PEDs is that, in tennis, the only thing the PEDs are going to do is increase stamina...and maybe movement to a small degree. But really stamina and recovery time is where it would be helpful.
I'll use last year's Aussie Open final as an example of why I don't care. Let's assume for the sake of argument that both Nadal and Djoker were on some variety of PEDs. Those guys put on one of the best displays of tennis skill that I've ever seen. Both guys were turning defense into offense from unimaginable positions. Both guys -- because both of them are so ridiculously fast -- were forced to basically hit lines to get a winner...and so that's what they did. I mean, there were 30 shot rallies with both guys being pulled from side to side to get every single ball and sending powerful, precise shots on a dead sprint while sliding to a stop to get back in position to run to the other side of the court and do the same thing.
Now they did this for nearly six hours. The PEDs didn't allow them to put on such a dispaly of tennis. Their respective level of skill did. Now perhaps PEDs allowed them to do it for six hours. But, you know what, I enjoyed those six hours. That was some of the best tennis I've ever seen and was just an athletic display by both guys. So I'm cool with it.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:34 am to bobbyray21
i'm pretty sure we are saying the same thing. i only think PED's would be more relevant in tennis, because like you referenced, marathon matches are a part of winning grand slams. grand slams are more relevant to being the best tennis player than hitting home runs is to being the best baseball player. similar to cycling, there will be times where skill levels are virtually equal, but one guy can run down every ball 5 hours into a match and the other guy is sucking wind. i dont care though, it doesn't ruin the sport in any way for me. as long as i'm watching it, it is real, no matter how "artificial" the performance might be. i still watch the TDF as well, just because it's amazing, even if it is artificial.
ETA: not that this holds any bearing on if nole actually uses PED's or not, but he was extremely harsh on lance armstrong after he came out this week
ETA: not that this holds any bearing on if nole actually uses PED's or not, but he was extremely harsh on lance armstrong after he came out this week
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 1:37 am
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:43 am to Tweezy
Speaking of stamina, I remember losing a shitload of money by betting against Nadal in a slam final (I bet on fed, and pretty sure it was the Aussie final) because 1) he played his semi a day later and 2) it was an exhausting 5 setter against verdasco, I believe. I was like no way this guy will be fit, then he beat Fed in another 5 set match 
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:51 am to castorinho
i dont know if PEDs make one arm a lot stronger than the other, but rafa definitely has 2 different sized arms 
it's rather distracting after you notice it. but for someone so young, his body seems to be (relatively) falling apart lately.
it's rather distracting after you notice it. but for someone so young, his body seems to be (relatively) falling apart lately. Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:24 am to Tweezy
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i dont know if PEDs make one arm a lot stronger than the other, but rafa definitely has 2 different sized arms it's rather distracting after you notice it. but for someone so young, his body seems to be (relatively) falling apart lately.
Some people think that Rafa is currently serving a secret suspension for failing a drug test. I hope it's not true but there are certain things which seem to give it validity. Rafa hasn't played a competitive match in over six months due to supposed knee problems yet he hasn't undergone any surgeries or operations to fix those issues. It's also suspicious how he bowed out of the Australian Open two weeks before the tournament started due to a "stomach virus". I'm no medical professional but I've never heard of a stomach virus that takes two weeks to recover from. There's something weird going on.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:27 am to Bench McElroy
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Some people think that Rafa is currently serving a secret suspension for failing a drug test
Onto MTF
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:36 am to Bench McElroy
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It's also suspicious how he bowed out of the Australian Open two weeks before the tournament started due to a "stomach virus".
i think it was closer to a full month, but yeah i agree. strange circumstances
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:43 am to Tweezy
Ok this shite needs to start already
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