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Azazello
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


Solid troll





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Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


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These 16 rights shall be annexed into the constitution and apply retroactively among ratification.


Sounds good to me. I can see no problem with implementing all of these new amendments.




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NimbleCat
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Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2007
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


I didn't even read your stupid shite.

If you believe you can make a better Constitution, head your stinking arse to Africa and start a Banana Republic.

Oh, frick you.






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Champagne
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


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These 16 rights shall be annexed into the constitution and apply retroactively among ratification.


How about this: let's discard the Constitution we have now and adopt a new one with your new Bill of Rights. Then, we will go over to full Dictatorship, but the Dictator with have full legislative, executive and judicial powers to implement the New Bill of Rights by any means necessary.

Dictatorship is the only way that we can guarantee that the New Bill of Rights will be fully implemented. If we allow politicians or citizens to interfere with the process of making the New Bill of Rights the law of the land, they WILL interfere and muck up progress.

Dictatoship is the way to go. Forward.

Dictatorship will work, if you have the right person as Dictator. Obama and Hillary Clinton would both be good Dictators.

The Dictator could implement the New Bill or Rights over the course of a decade. Things would be great then, wouldn't they? People might argue about "freedom" but, by implementing the New Bill, the citizens would have all the freedom that anybody could want GUARANTEED to them by The Dictator.

With Dictatorship, there is no need to worry about messy electoral consequences that might delay your access to the New Freedoms granted by the New Bill of Rights, because The Dictator is hand-picked to implement the New Bill by any means necessary and as soon as possible.



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SoulGlo
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


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I was giving you a chance until I got to number 2, and that's when you lost me for real. I made it to number 2.



Wow. Same here.






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RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


I have a better idea. Let's take all those who would support this "Bill of Rights for the 21st Century," string them up by their feet, and one-by-one end their lives. It would save the country precious money and time in the long run.







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Champagne
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


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I have a better idea. Let's take all those who would support this "Bill of Rights for the 21st Century," string them up by their feet, and one-by-one end their lives. It would save the country precious money and time in the long run.


That seems to be a rather closed-minded and intolerant viewpoint to adopt, don't you think?






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unbeWEAVEable
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


Alright, I'm going to attempt to go through this...

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1. All citizens shall not be discriminated against in any way, public or private, based on gender, race, religion, nationality, country of birth, or sexual orientation.


I can stand by this. While I think discriminated is too broad of a term here, the idea is right. I just think the methodology is a little off.

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2. No citizen shall have their right to free speech protected when the speech is meant to cause harm, hate, divisiveness, or discouragement toward another citizen, politician, or group
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Like another poster said, you have already lost me. When limiting free speech, it is no longer free. You are already contradicting yourself. While I don't think "hate speech" has a place in society, it is still speech. It's either free or it isn't. Make you pick.

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3. No citizen shall be subject to any religious oriented event, display, tradiition, or object. All religious activity must take place within government specified locations or the home, as not to expose others to it. Religion shall have no place in public places.


An impossibility. Not an improbability, an impossibility. Name one civilization that has kept religion private. Even in government specified locations, religious buildings must have some kind of markings which will be exposed to the public (cross, Star of David, etc.). Another contradiction.

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4. No citizen shall be allowed to carry, possess, or distribute a firearm or any firearm related paraphenelia unless they are authorized by the U.S. Government to do so. Zero exceptions.


So we have taken away freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and now the right to bear arms. For someone not wanting to just throw the Constitution out the window, you're off to a hell of a start. The only way to keep guns out of citizens hands would be to cease gun production. This is another impossibility. Thinking that gun control is going to keep the ill-intentioned away from firearms is ignorant.

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5. Any human being who sets foot in the United States shall not be persecuted due to their origin or the fact they are not a U.S. Citizen. They shall be welcomed and encouraged to assimilate into our society. Any human who has been here for 30 days shall be granted automatic citizenship and full rights & benefits that apply to a U.S. citizen.


You know, I'm only 23, so my life experiences, though numerous, are limited. But even I know what overloading a system does to it's host. That's fundamental flaw number one. Now for number two: opening the doors wide invites everyone, correct? People with different cultures, different languages, different religions, different ideologies, right? So when they get in you are going to tell them they can't have freedom of religion (remember, being able to practice religion only in private isn't free), they can't have freedom of speech, and their ideologies mean nothing. How many firearms do you think will come in with doors wide open? Oops, there goes gun control. Congratulations, we haven't even made it to BoR21 #6, and you have already laid the groundwork for a hostile takeover, one that is much easier now.

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6. All citizens are guaranteed the right to access to the highest quality healthcare in the country at no cost. Health care is a human right.


So in an already tanked economy, you are going to provide free government paid healthcare to a now overloaded system because of open borders? Don't forget about increased diseases due to these new populations introduction to ours. Oh, and don't forget increased gun violence due to gun control. As we have already seen, confides with the strictest gun laws and gun control have higher gun violence. With all that being said, where does this money come from to pay for all this healthcare?

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7. Because it is necessary to eat and drink to live, all citizens are guaranteed the right to quality, delicious, and nutritious food and water at no cost.


Same problem with #6. Cost. Where does it come from?







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unbeWEAVEable
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re: What we need is a new Bill of Rights.


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8. No citizen shall be without a home and out on the streets. All citizens are guaranteed the right to a quality, safe, and spacious home to dwell in.


...cost again.

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9. No citizen shall be without clothing. All citizens are guaranteed the right to quality and durable clothing to wear.


...and again.

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10. Because internet and cell phones are extremely important technologies in the modern era, all citizens are guaranteed a cellular phone, cellular phone service and internet access at no cost
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Do I need to reiterate again? These services can't come at "no cost". It had to come from somewhere.

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11. All citizens shall be able to work if they choose. Therefore, all citizens are guaranteed the right to a decent, well paying job with reasonable hours and duties. Also, all workers are allowed to unionize without any hassle. Businesses that do not comply will be shut down.


Lets dissect this one, as it has multiple parts. The words "if they chose" struck me first. What if no one works, what happens to the system? You've already provided free healthcare, food, shelter, and clothing. There is nothing else a person needs anyway, so they now have no incentive, to work, and free to do what they please. I wonder what this says for crime rates and order? Next, we will look at "decent, and well paying". What if one job pays more than another, for less hours? What if a job is easier and someone gets paid more than a counter-part? I'll continue this one at the end.

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12. For a happy society, the people must be happy. Therefore all citizens are guaranteed the right to 5 weeks government-paid vacation.


...cost...cost...cost. Do you know anything about the economy? It has just been destroyed because everyone just took a month and a half vacation from work, which they don't need anyway since they are already supplied everything and only have to work if they want to. Hmm, a 5 week vacation vs. a 52 week vacation. I wonder which one ill chose...

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13. All women are guaranteed access to pregnancy termination and birth control at no cost. Also, women are allowed to terminate their pregnancy up to the time of birth without any hassle.


1. Cost
2. You've already provided free healthcare. This is an unnecessary addition, and just adds to the cost. Then again, you have no regard for the way this world actually works.

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14. Any citizen shall be allowed to marry whomever they want, regardless of sexual orientation.


I've never had a problem with gay marriage, as long as it didn't impose on my lifestyle. And since you have a taken away freedom of religion and freedom of speech, as long as they aren't fricking in my government supplied kitchen, I'm fine with this.

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15. Getting around is important in today's sprawling geographic grid. Therefore all citizens are guaranteed the right to safe, fast, and reliable transportation at no cost.


That's a lot of cars on the road, considering everyone, including the entire world that has traveled here because of free, well, everything. Traffic out the ass, not considering the fricking COST of it all.

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16. All citizens are guaranteed the right to a safe and stable planet and clean air. Therefore businesses are not allowed to pollute and every vehicle, business, and other things that may pollute are air are subject to strict emission standards to keep us safe from climate change.


Haha. Cost again. I'm not going to elaborate on this considering your fantasy world was destroyed around #6. Oh, and by the way. Climate change is cyclical. Global warming has happened since the beginning of this planet, and will continue to do so until the end of it.

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Well that took longer than I would have liked. How old are you? I think a 13 year old would have enough fricking common sense to realize that your living with rainbows and unicorns. Are you completely obtuse to the structure of life? How things function? What you have just described is a liberals wet-dream, a socialist Utopia. But even Marx would call you a fricking asinine, ignorant child. If you are what I have to compete with in life, I now have 0 worries. Congratulations, you have thought of the impossible. Now go play with your toys in the corner and let those who can actually add, subtract, theorize, and effectively argue take over and come up with feasible solutions.

Jesus, are you for real? Seriously, I hope this was one big troll. For being against trashing the Constitution, you effectively went against everything it is about. Not to mention your entire idea is one big fricking CONTRADICTION.



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