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Fat Bastard 
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:20 pm to peopleschamp)
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I don't give a crap about scheme. How about we finish in the top 40 or 50 of offensive statistics in college football? Lets start with a slightly above average offense and see what happens from there. LSU could be dangerous with even a decent offense.
getting a good balanced O is more than just selecting run or pass. it is attacking all levels of the field vertically and horizontally. also becoming less predictable in what you run.
However, i agree. i could care less what style we run, let's find one that works well and stick with it to give us top 40 or even 50 rankings.
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Topwater Trout 
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:20 pm to peopleschamp)
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. How about we finish in the top 40 or 50 of offensive statistics in college football?
One can dream
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TheDoc 
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:21 pm to Huck Finn)
it's catching on in the media honestly... people are laughing at how inept the offense of LSU has been the past few years. It's a running joke on national sports talk show when LSU is mentioned.
but LSU has a ZANY head coach! he's ca-raaaazy!
wowsers!
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QJenk
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:48 pm to LSU91MBA)
Our offense is really not that difference, the main difference is they just execute to perfection, meanwhile we continue to go 3 and out... Bama's O-line is the heart and soul of their team. Because of that mammoth o-line it is possible to make AJ, Lacy, and Cooper all look like heisman finalists... They are better than us in the oline department, wide receiver department too only cuz we dont have a mammoth of a man like Cooper. Our backs is every bit as good as their backs are IMO. AJ is better than Zach only from experience. But i actually do see alot of potential in this offense if he has the given time from the oline 
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Fabius
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:53 pm to LSU91MBA)
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I'm no coach... But what they are running doesn't look a lot different to me than what LSU runs. They just seem to be a lot more successful with it. So, seems like execution to me.... And an OL with what Herbie and Musberger say are 3 or 4 NFL 1st round draft picks, a QB that will be a Heisman favorite next year, and TJ Yelton that Mark Ingram says is possibly the best running back ever at Alabama. Better than Ingeam and Richardson in his Opinion.... So that's all, I guess.
Not similar at all. Bama ran mostly one back sets. Didn't see a FB all night. Pass routes are more sophisticated, like flooding a zone with three receivers. They throw to the TEs and RBs, so the QB almost always has 4 or 5 receivers and can look for mismatches or single coverage. They throw out of running formations and run from the spread.
They rarely max protect. Generally they leave 5 or 6 to block and put 4 or 5 receivers out running routes at different levels. Forces the defense to stay back in coverage and helps the O-line pass protect.
Most importantly, their play selection is not predictable based on personnel, down or distance. Keeps the defense honest.
It is not a complex offense, but it is well designed. The Bama players excute well because the Bama coaches give them the tools and a level playing field. They aren't constantly working against defenses that can anticipate the plays and sell out to stop them.
LSU's offense has ranked n the bottom quartile nationally over the last five years for a reason and it is not the players. The players come and go, but the coaches stay and keep doing the same thing but hoping for a different result.
This post was edited on 1/8 at 9:58 pm
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Topwater Trout
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:56 pm to Fabius)
You know football 
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nf
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:29 pm to QJenk)
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Bama's O-line is the heart and soul of their team.
It's not the same players for the past 4 years, yet it's consistently good. Sound like maybe coaching has something to do with that? It's also not any bigger than ours, they are just better coached.
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only cuz we dont have a mammoth of a man like Cooper
ESPN has him listed as 6'1". He's not a huge wide receiver, maybe has an inch or so on Landry.
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LSUaddict0204
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:32 pm to peopleschamp)
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How about we finish in the top 40 or 50 of offensive statistics in college football?
Hell, I'd take the Top 60 just so we could be in the top half of the offenses nationally. What we do is just embarrassing. I don't want an air raid offense that throws for 400 yds/game.. I'd just like to see runs out of the shotgun and PA out of the heavy sets like Bama used to score close to the endzone last night. A little creativity goes a long way. Our offense can be successful, but it needs to be executed out of different formations.
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LSUBS88
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:39 pm to LSUaddict0204)
And disquising the plays and hiding the football.... Drop passes with ball at shoulder pads and arm cocked is obvious, and the high pitch gives the defense an advantage while our backs or 5-7 yards deep. Mett should be faking the pass or handoff every play, all we need is an extra step most plays and hiding the ball would help
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MC123
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:49 pm to Fabius)
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Most importantly, their play selection is not predictable based on personnel, down or distance. Keeps the defense honest.
It is not a complex offense, but it is well designed. The Bama players excute well because the Bama coaches give them the tools and a level playing field. They aren't constantly working against defenses that can anticipate the plays and sell out to stop them.
LSU's offense has ranked n the bottom quartile nationally over the last five years for a reason and it is not the players. The players come and go, but the coaches stay and keep doing the same thing but hoping for a different result.
Nailed it. 
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Choupique19
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 10:57 pm to MC123)
The first page of this thread, I was like.  
The second page of this thread, I was like. 
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44jason
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:03 pm to LSU91MBA)
ONE difference: Execution
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ReauxlTide222 
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:03 pm to LSU91MBA)
Yes it starts with the O-line. But Alabama makes a defense have to make decisions with the plays that Alabama runs. On any givin pass play thay have 3 or 4 recievers attacking every single level of the field. It isn't a fluke that the RB's catch so many balls with room to run. It seems like LSU just runs 2 recievers out in simple routs all the time. LSU seems so predictable just by the personnel they run out on the field. Just my two cents...I'm not trying to make any enemies
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nf
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:16 pm to ReauxlTide222)
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Just my two cents...I'm not trying to make any enemies
You are correct and I'm baffled at how anyone with eyeballs can watch the two teams and think they are running the same plays out of the same packages. But then half of this board thinks that offense is a binary choice between "a) a pass" or "b) a run" and the only difference between offenses is how often they choose a or b.
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LSUBS88
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| re: LSU offense vs. Bama offense (Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:23 pm to nf)
Absolutely no deception on offense with players or configuration, same players = same play, same config = same play
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