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HempHead
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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bull laws in this country.


Which ones?

Would you prefer that nations become autarkies? Producing enough to be self-sufficient?






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LSUconvert
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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work to much


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Oyster


I do too. You should work less and read more.






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mograyback
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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You seem to be hung up on ideology and personal preference.


You're right. I'm a man with some principle and an ideology.

I find the fact apples from China are on sale in Washington state insane.

The fact that a country imports the same amount as it exports of a product is a little nutty to me. It's done to satisfy a make believe game.






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HempHead
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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t's done to satisfy this rather make believe game.



The economic game, I take it.

What is your preferred method of trade and interaction?






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mograyback
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The economic game, I take it.

What is your preferred method of trade and interaction?


Trade and interaction can happen without putting GDP at the center of the universe.



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HempHead
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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Trade and interaction can happen without putting GDP at the center of the universe.


What company is basing their business interactions on Gross Domestic Product?






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mograyback
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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What company is basing their business interactions on Gross Domestic Product?



This comment really is not a direct response to the comment I made. I don't know what to say.. I kind of feel like I'm talking to an automated response machine.



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RogerTheShrubber
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty



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You're right. I'm a man with some principle and an ideology.

I find the fact apples from China are on sale in Washington state insane.


Washington still produces about 40% of the apples produced in the US. Oregon, Idaho, NY are also players in the game.

Washington is responsible for over 70% of the organic apples sold in the US. If I were a grower in Washington, I would see this as an opportunity.






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HempHead
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You are saying that trade and interaction can occur without GDP being at the center of the universe.

I am asking you why you think that the whole Washington/China apple connection is going on with GDP as the primary consideration.






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cssamerican
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


To defend mograyback on this topic:

We cut down trees in the US and convert them to wood pulp. The pulp get sent to China. The Chinese then convert the pulp to paper and sell the paper to us. All the while we are shutting down paper plants here in the USA. Because of trade agreements and regulations it is economically advantageous to pay the fuel charges to send pulp halfway around the world and then send it back than it is to do it here. How is that not the craziest thing you have ever heard. Then we wonder why we have no jobs. America has created a business climate that doesn't want jobs unless they are retail jobs.






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mograyback
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Washington still produces about 40% of the apples produced in the US. Oregon, Idaho, NY are also players in the game.

Washington is responsible for over 70% of the organic apples sold in the US. If I were a grower in Washington, I would see this as an opportunity.


Yeah you're right. Global shipping of goods that are produced domestically makes sense. Don't know what I was thinking.

I can totally see why a country would do things like import the same amount of a product as they export. This seems to make perfect sense.

(And I never said Washington is doing poorly, so thanks for providing these facts as if goes against my case. I said some farms are being forced to close because they are getting undercut by China).






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mograyback
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I am asking you why you think that the whole Washington/China apple connection is going on with GDP as the primary consideration.


The comment below your post by cassamerican is a great example of what I mean.

People say things are cheaper so let's do it. But they're not taking into consideration the rippling effects. Short term monetary value is the only value in your mind. It may be cheaper to pay the shipping costs to send our wood pulp to China, then ship it back in the form of paper. We may win on a pie chart but we lose as a species because this is a tremendous unnecessary waste of a valuable resource plus it kills the development of this nation.



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HempHead
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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The comment below your post by cassamerican is a great example of what I mean.


I would not hesitate to disagree and disavow whatever type of policies lead to that type of action. I can also see how engaging in those actions could artificially inflate GDP.

What I do not see, however, is a good reason why we should not import goods if they are cheaper than those domestically produced.






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RogerTheShrubber
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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I can totally see why a country would do things like import the same amount of a product as they export. This seems to make perfect sense.


When that trade benefits both nations, it does make sense. The apple growers of Washington don't appear to be suffering.







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mograyback
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When that trade benefits both nations, it does make sense.


See comment by cassamerican. What you think is a benefit is not exactly a benefit. The center of your universe is short term monetary gain, that is what you constitute as a benefit.






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SlowFlowPro
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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What is your response for why the UK imports the same amount of milk as they export?

i have no idea why they do. i don't have the adequate data to make a comment on it

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Something more productive.. like what? A factory? A mall?

sure why not?

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Washington state is the finest place on earth to grow apples,

what makes it the best place on earth to grow apples, exactly? is the perceived value of the apples greater or lesser than their increased cost?

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A bunch of ships, cars, planes are using up petroleum to ship this stuff around the globe.

when petroleum becomes valuable enough, it will become more costly to do this and it will be more profitable to "buy local"






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mograyback
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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when petroleum becomes valuable enough, it will become more costly to do this and it will be more profitable to "buy local"


Hence my stance that you people have a short term monetary value based system at the core of your beliefs. To heck with thinking ahead, to heck with looking beyond this very moment.

See the comment by cassamerican in this thread (half the page up), is a good incite into why things that are simply cheaper aren't actually doing what is best.




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SlowFlowPro
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This comment really is not a direct response to the comment I made. I don't know what to say.. I kind of feel like I'm talking to an automated response machine.

you have displayed a very consistent style of posting your beliefs/perceptions as facts and then complaining that those who respond don't make an attempt to understand your comments. people aren't idiots injecting mass media into their veins on here. the reason why you have this problem is because you're closed minded and only want people to accept your perceptions as facts, the way that you do. open your mind and think about stuff






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mograyback
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Thanks, but the conversation developed further from there.. maybe read the thread??

And I'm sorry, but did you just say "open your mind"... if I was one to use emoticons a thousand rolling laughing guys couldn't do that justice. You're the king of shutting down any open mindedness.



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HempHead
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re: 20 hour work week to solve poverty


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mograyback



You seem to have a problem with economic calculation. I asked in a previous post, and I will ask again: what do you suggest as to the proper way to allocate goods and resources?






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