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Layabout 
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:35 am to Lsut81)
They run a secular enterprise and employ secular people so let them abide by secular law. Render unto Caesar.
It's not as if it's an order of nuns peddling their crafts.
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buddhavista
Member since Jul 2012
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:37 am to Layabout)
I would be curious if people would support an atheist who was against breeding not covering pregnancy services.
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drexyl 
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:38 am to mmcgrath)
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I am willing to bet that any of these companies objecting to it are doing it on political grounds, not religious.
you'd lose that bet.
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Fat Bastard 
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:40 am to buddhavista)
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I loathe hobby lobby. Why? well the lines are ridiculous. I don't like they are closed on sundays.
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The Easter Bunny 
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:42 am to buddhavista)
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I would be curious if people would support an atheist who was against breeding not covering pregnancy services.
It isn't like people are not free to buy insurance from other carries. You do not have to take the company health care plan as your sole provider. Or you can choose to work somewhere else
I'm all for people having choices, and if business owners want to make it so people do not want to work for them that's fine. I can open a competing business that does offer those services/benefits.
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tiger1014
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:43 am to Lsut81)
We should all refuse to follow laws we don't agree with that have been upheld by courts. Think of what a great society that would be!
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udtiger
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:49 am to tiger1014)
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that have been upheld by courts
Here's the problem, this issue is still unsettled and is the subject of ongoing litigation. HL sought a stay/injunction against forcing them to buy it while the case was pending, which was denied.
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GumboPot
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:10 am to Lsut81)
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espite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.
HIgh risk high reward (not only for HL but for everyone other conscientious objector too).
In terms of eternity (which the owner obviously believes in) this is just a picosecond blip on the radar. At least that is the view of most believers in God. This is a bigger fight than a fight against one political side, it's a fight for good. This is the perspective I see the owner of HL coming from. The secular left is too blind to see this perspective.
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Godfather1
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:57 am to LSURussian)
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Posted by LSURussian quote: I loathe hobby lobby.
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Who cares?
This x 1000.
This Buddhavista character may or may not be Otto or The Housemate, but he sure is every bit as moronic.
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EST
LSU Fan
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Member since Oct 2003
10882 posts
| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:25 am to Lsut81)
Screw the United States government. They are getting dangerous for us. 
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jcole4lsu 
Virginia Fan
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Member since Nov 2007
21856 posts
| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:29 am to Godfather1)
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This Buddhavista character may or may not be Otto or The Housemate, but he sure is every bit as moronic.
what on earth?
Buddha is far more pragmatic than 99% of this board. Comparing him to Otto is fricking shameful.
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thetigerman
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2006
1423 posts
| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:59 am to Lsut81)
Well I guess we'll be shopping at Michael's from now on. Unless they pull a similar stunt.
This post was edited on 12/28 at 12:00 pm
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CtotheVrzrbck 
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:31 pm to Chimlim)
Hobby Lobby is in quite a pickle. They don't support the morning after pill, yet they do hire a bunch of whores.
College chicks work cheap.
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dewster 
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:37 pm to CtotheVrzrbck)
:)
No one is taking their pills away. They can buy their own pills.
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kingbob
LSU Fan
St. Amant, LA
Member since Nov 2010
8978 posts
| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:40 pm to TheFolker)
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Maybe they object to anything outside of Natural Childbirth on religious grounds... Would you allow them to carve out coverage for epidurals?
Sure. As long as employees were informed of the policy. Nobody is forcing anybody to work at Hobby Lobby. Why do you hate freedom?
Exactly!!!! If you want health care that covers what you want it to cover, either buy that coverage yourself or work for a company that provides that coverage. Time for my related csb.
My oldest brother had cancer (brain tumor) when he was 5. My father was fortunate to work for a company that covered in their health plan most of the treatments he needed at the time AND much of the continued treatments he needed after recovery (annual check-ups, growth hormone shots, hearing aids, ect.)
My dad also had offers to work for other companies that would have paid him a much higher salary and offered a better pension. However, he knew that if he left his company, he wouldn't have a plan that covered all of those expensive treatments. In other words, the market worked. My father worked the job that had the plan he wanted that fit his needs rather than demanding that all companies pay for that treatment no matter what.
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Joshjrn
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 2:51 pm to buddhavista)
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I would be curious if people would support an atheist who was against breeding not covering pregnancy services.
I would 
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Zach
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 2:53 pm to Lsut81)
I went to Hobby Lobby last year to get a some very old pictures framed with a background. They did a good job at a reasonable price. I don't care if they worship Satan.
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Rex
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 3:12 pm to Layabout)
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They run a secular enterprise and employ secular people so let them abide by secular law. Render unto Caesar. It's not as if it's an order of nuns peddling their crafts.
That's correct. They enjoy the advantages of incorporation so they should be forced to abide the rules common to all such corporations. To grant them a waiver would be governmental favoritism of their particular version of religion, which would be a constitutional breach.
Their contention that their religious tenets are being violated is a stretch to begin with... they, themselves, are not making the choice to use morning after pills. Their objection to not having to pay for such coverage is akin to a pacifist refusing to pay taxes because he views killing by soldiers immoral.
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Rex
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| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 3:13 pm to Zach)
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I went to Hobby Lobby last year to get a some very old pictures framed with a background. They did a good job at a reasonable price. I don't care if they worship Satan.
I like Hobby Lobby... I go there often. I won't hold this against them.
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Lsut81
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2005
54823 posts
| re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger (Posted on 12/28/12 at 3:15 pm to Rex)
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To grant them a waiver would be governmental favoritism of their particular version of religion, which would be a constitutional breach.
Oh, you mean how there were over 250 waivers granted by the administration as payback to unions and the likes?
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