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re: Can anyone defend ZIRP going into 2013?
Posted on 12/21/12 at 11:31 am to LSURussian
Posted on 12/21/12 at 11:31 am to LSURussian
Whether its borrowed or not (and in an economic sense, customer deposits count as borrowed capital), the larger principle in that there is little opportunity cost to parking capital. This is true throughout the private sector, affecting not only banks, but also the new project decisions of industrial corporations.
This is the big problem with ZIRP. Lower interest rates will tend to lower the cost of taking on more business projects, other things being equal, but when (A) you start getting close to zero, and (B) there are strong signals indicating that interest rates will remain near zero for an extended period of time, then you paradoxically get an effect whereby a low interest rate environment will actually depress economic activity. A huge portion of capital in the economy gets diverted to public activities with very low returns, and which moreover act as a net drag on the labor force. That's what we're experiencing now.
We're not anything as extreme as Japan yet, but we seem to be moving closer to that kind of a situation. Indeed, there has been a disturbingly fashionable trend over the past year for pundits to defend how well Japan has managed its last two decades.
I say that a little short term recessionary deflation over the next few months could be just the longer term inflationary stimulus that we need. At some point, a deliberate transition must be made to an environment of rising interest rates. This hasn't occurred since the days of William McChesney Martin.
This is the big problem with ZIRP. Lower interest rates will tend to lower the cost of taking on more business projects, other things being equal, but when (A) you start getting close to zero, and (B) there are strong signals indicating that interest rates will remain near zero for an extended period of time, then you paradoxically get an effect whereby a low interest rate environment will actually depress economic activity. A huge portion of capital in the economy gets diverted to public activities with very low returns, and which moreover act as a net drag on the labor force. That's what we're experiencing now.
We're not anything as extreme as Japan yet, but we seem to be moving closer to that kind of a situation. Indeed, there has been a disturbingly fashionable trend over the past year for pundits to defend how well Japan has managed its last two decades.
I say that a little short term recessionary deflation over the next few months could be just the longer term inflationary stimulus that we need. At some point, a deliberate transition must be made to an environment of rising interest rates. This hasn't occurred since the days of William McChesney Martin.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 11:36 am to Doc Fenton
quote:No, they don't. You're not using the word "capital" in its proper sense in banking terms. Deposits are a source of funds, not capital.
and in an economic sense, customer deposits count as borrowed capital
quote:That's the entire point of the Fed. To encourage borrowing for expansion and economic risk taking.
Lower interest rates will tend to lower the cost of taking on more business projects
quote:Is this just your opinion or do you have some analysis that supports your statement? I've never seen any analysis predict lower economic activity when borrowing costs are lower.
then you paradoxically get an effect whereby a low interest rate environment will actually depress economic activity.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 1:15 pm to Doc Fenton
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Whether its borrowed or not (and in an economic sense, customer deposits count as borrowed capital), the larger principle in that there is little opportunity cost to parking capital. This is true throughout the private sector, affecting not only banks, but also the new project decisions of industrial corporations.
Ummm.... this is just wrong. There is a huge amount of opportunity cost to parking capital? Did you mean to say something different?
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ower interest rates will tend to lower the cost of taking on more business projects, other things being equal, but when (A) you start getting close to zero, and (B) there are strong signals indicating that interest rates will remain near zero for an extended period of time, then you paradoxically get an effect whereby a low interest rate environment will actually depress economic activity. A huge portion of capital in the economy gets diverted to public activities with very low returns, and which moreover act as a net drag on the labor force. That's what we're experiencing now.
I understand what you're saying here, and even though it isn't supported by previous data I see this everyday. There's a reason you had static ZIRP then a threshold ZIRP. That's why they took away the static portion. You keep ignoring this.
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We're not anything as extreme as Japan yet, but we seem to be moving closer to that kind of a situation. Indeed, there has been a disturbingly fashionable trend over the past year for pundits to defend how well Japan has managed its last two decades.
We are very different from Japan in an economic sense. We may very well have low interest rates for two decades but we will not look like Japan. Different discussion though.
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I say that a little short term recessionary deflation over the next few months could be just the longer term inflationary stimulus that we need. At some point, a deliberate transition must be made to an environment of rising interest rates. This hasn't occurred since the days of William McChesney Martin.
I'm going to answer more to this in the next post but you have to understand, and I hate that I'm talking my shop too much in this, but... WE ARE IN A NEW NORMAL OF LOWER GROWTH PROSPECTS. HISTORICAL PRECEDENTS CAN BE THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.
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